I am thinking of defecting to labour. seriously.

The_White_Horse

the millipede wrote a good article in the standard the other day about the unfairness in axing child benefit.

i don't care if it is axed or not - what i do care about is the massive unfairness of a one earner family on 44k not getting it and a two earner family on 86k getting it. this is abhorrent. especially when you consider the full 86k is only taxed at 20%. If a single earner is on say, 56k - then 12k or so is taxed at 40%. Its a disgrace.

At least Red Ed sees this. I for once, i agree with the man.

Take mine away by all means - but take the others away as well. all in this together? do me a favour.

Coeus

Gooooooooooooooooooood......

Use your anger, strike Cameron down and your transformation to the dark side will be complete!

AndyGuil

I don't know many two earner families that have 86k earnings. They are a minority compared to 44k earners. Money for nothing is a problem with society and promoted greatly by Labour.

Masomnia

The_White_Horse wrote: »

the millipede wrote a good article in the standard the other day about the unfairness in axing child benefit.

i don't care if it is axed or not - what i do care about is the massive unfairness of a one earner family on 44k not getting it and a two earner family on 86k getting it. this is abhorrent. especially when you consider the full 86k is only taxed at 20%. If a single earner is on say, 56k - then 12k or so is taxed at 40%. Its a disgrace.

At least Red Ed sees this. I for once, i agree with the man.

Take mine away by all means - but take the others away as well. all in this together? do me a favour.

You're quite right, but I'm not sure that picking up on the obvious flaw in the Coalition plan is a reason to defect!

ILW

Why pay anyone for breeding?

B_Blank

The_White_Horse wrote: »

the millipede wrote a good article in the standard the other day about the unfairness in axing child benefit.

i don't care if it is axed or not - what i do care about is the massive unfairness of a one earner family on 44k not getting it and a two earner family on 86k getting it. this is abhorrent. especially when you consider the full 86k is only taxed at 20%. If a single earner is on say, 56k - then 12k or so is taxed at 40%. Its a disgrace.

At least Red Ed sees this. I for once, i agree with the man.

Take mine away by all means - but take the others away as well. all in this together? do me a favour.

Yup, I am disgusted by it too. The tory's are a joke of a party nowadays. They are so desperate to "look after the poor" - i.e. the people who do fck all!!! - the ones who cudnt be bothered to work hard at school or to work hard to get a job - that they are happy to punish any working man they can get their hands on.

Note that this is also the same for labour and the lib dems. They all score political points of each other when one of them says they might cut some benefits and they say it will hurt the poor, or they say it doesnt hurt the poor. What they dont realise is that most people like me dont give a damn about the poor, they want to look after the not-rich working man who deserves to not be screwed over whilst politicains play a little game by seeing who can spend as much as possible on the hopeless people who make society such a drag on the rest of us.

Also we want rich people to have kids, but they are further disuaded to do so by the government, whereas tina and wayne down in the council estate are paid over and over to have 8 kids who then all cost more money for the public. But the torys dont care about that, they care about 1 thing: GETTING ELECTED.

All the partys are scum scum scum.

Nobody looks after the working man anymore. LAbour used to be the party of the working man. No longer, now they are the party of the working man as long as they work for them (i.e. public sector) and the benefits lot. Torys look after the bankers and the benefits lot, and the lib dems are just a feeble joke.

We need a party which supports the working man. Tax the rich, and dont use it cover the lazy benefits people in gold, but instead use it to take some pressure off the guy who has done everything right, works 10 hour days and gets shafted over by the government

We need a new party in this country!!

the.ciscokid

The_White_Horse wrote: »

the millipede wrote a good article in the standard the other day about the unfairness in axing child benefit.

i don't care if it is axed or not - what i do care about is the massive unfairness of a one earner family on 44k not getting it and a two earner family on 86k getting it. this is abhorrent. especially when you consider the full 86k is only taxed at 20%. If a single earner is on say, 56k - then 12k or so is taxed at 40%. Its a disgrace.

At least Red Ed sees this. I for once, i agree with the man.

Take mine away by all means - but take the others away as well. all in this together? do me a favour.

Firstly, who got us into this position in the first place? Yes, that's right, red Ed and chums.

Second, they are ALL as bad as each other.

Pobby

Cameroon was going on about risk takers starting up a business. Yea great, in this economy, unless you have cash, it is very unlikely the banks will lend it. I started one 20 odd years ago and employed. Did very well for a time but the landlord was greedy, rates rocketed, also IRs hit the roof. Then a major customer went down on me, owing 10,s of thousands.

If Cameroon would like to under write the risk takers, fair enough. I saw people loose everything, even their pensions in the 90`s. We are mucking about with 0.5% IRs. When you take that on board or really think about it, it really strikes me as not a problem but a cry for help.

[Deleted User]

B_Blank wrote: »

Yup, I am disgusted by it too. The tory's are a joke of a party nowadays. They are so desperate to "look after the poor" - i.e. the people who do fck all!!! - the ones who cudnt be bothered to work hard at school or to work hard to get a job - that they are happy to punish any working man they can get their hands on.

Note that this is also the same for labour and the lib dems. They all score political points of each other when one of them says they might cut some benefits and they say it will hurt the poor, or they say it doesnt hurt the poor. What they dont realise is that most people like me dont give a damn about the poor, they want to look after the not-rich working man who deserves to not be screwed over whilst politicains play a little game by seeing who can spend as much as possible on the hopeless people who make society such a drag on the rest of us.

Also we want rich people to have kids, but they are further disuaded to do so by the government, whereas tina and wayne down in the council estate are paid over and over to have 8 kids who then all cost more money for the public. But the torys dont care about that, they care about 1 thing: GETTING ELECTED.

All the partys are scum scum scum.

Nobody looks after the working man anymore. LAbour used to be the party of the working man. No longer, now they are the party of the working man as long as they work for them (i.e. public sector) and the benefits lot. Torys look after the bankers and the benefits lot, and the lib dems are just a feeble joke.

We need a party which supports the working man. Tax the rich, and dont use it cover the lazy benefits people in gold, but instead use it to take some pressure off the guy who has done everything right, works 10 hour days and gets shafted over by the government

We need a new party in this country!!

Well said.

Why do we pay extra money for people who are classed as disabled? Why not just give them the services they need and that way stop the benefit cheats and still look after the genuine claimants?

Why are we paying extra money to provide incentives for the unemployed to breed? Why not make it a luxury you earn?

Why do our governments pander to the banks when some of them are paying <1% corporation tax and screwing the small business that pay their fair share? Knowing they can get away with it having bought political protection on the cheap.

Why are we spending so much on prison accommodation for repeat (often serial) offenders? Why not given them some real punishment and if that doesn't work start killing them? It wouldn't be murder just waste disposal.

Why if I was to marry someone pay most of the bills and provide a good standard of living for that person would I then be made a victim and lose more than half of my assets, even my pension? Then I could get to watch someone else playing Daddy to my kids, poisoning their minds against me, while I pay for the privilege. I haven't been there myself, thank god, but I've seen plenty who have. Why anyone gets married is beyond me. It stinks.

Why when it comes to election time do I have Hobsons choice between three parties that do not honour their promises? That pander to whichever companies/individuals have funded them (over which we have no control) instead of what's best for the country? These parties are full of people who have never done an honest days work in their lives and all to often spent their school/uni days with the other party members.

We need another option. Fast.

ILW

[quote=[Deleted User];41942758]Well said.

Why do we pay extra money for people who are classed as disabled? Why not just give them the services they need and that way stop the benefit cheats and still look after the genuine claimants?

Why are we paying extra money to provide incentives for the unemployed to breed? Why not make it a luxury you earn?

Why do our governments pander to the banks when some of them are paying <1% corporation tax and screwing the small business that pay their fair share? Knowing they can get away with it having bought political protection on the cheap.

Why are we spending so much on prison accommodation for repeat (often serial) offenders? Why not given them some real punishment and if that doesn't work start killing them? It wouldn't be murder just waste disposal.

Why if I was to marry someone pay most of the bills and provide a good standard of living for that person would I then be made a victim and lose more than half of my assets, even my pension? Then I could get to watch someone else playing Daddy to my kids, poisoning their minds against me, while I pay for the privilege. I haven't been there myself, thank god, but I've seen plenty who have. Why anyone gets married is beyond me. It stinks.

Why when it comes to election time do I have Hobsons choice between three parties that do not honour their promises? That pander to whichever companies/individuals have funded them (over which we have no control) instead of what's best for the country? These parties are full of people who have never done an honest days work in their lives and all to often spent their school/uni days with the other party members.

We need another option. Fast.[/QUOTE]

Anyone can stand as an independent.

Loughton_Monkey

What you forget is that 'Dave' would have given his right arm to deny child benefit to couples who have more than X income. But since there is no accepted practical definition of 'couple' he simply couldn't do it.

Don't blame the Government on this one. The Civil Servants wrestle with this sort of thing. Not governments.