MSE News: Public sector pension benefits should be cut – report

Stark76

That's all well and good but after 30 years of being spat on, assaulted, punched, working an awful shift pattern that seems to change every time we have a new boss (I could go on forever) I might just want to hang up my boots!!


Also I dont think I pay a lot I DO pay a lot.

I do agree that the govt needs to do something to get out of the debt but its the same old story of hit the public sector workers. I recall my parents saying the same about the Thatcher days.

How about getting the people who choose NOT to work their whole lives off their backsides. Why is it the workers always have to sacrifice things?

Remember you are paying even more for them!!!!

shorted

You do pay a lot in (11%),but then you get a great deal out.No privately funded scheme comes close to the pension a timeserved officer receives and to do so you would need to contribute
around 30% of your salary during your working life.
As for resigning your post,along with firefighters,very few police officers will take this step as most
recognise the implications of leaving the pay,working conditions etc,the private sector can only
dream of.









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TheSaint_2

It would be madness to expect firefighters, police etc to work on the front line upto 65 - it just wouldn't be physically possible. But it would be ok for them to get transferred into back office jobs.

Ofcourse there probably arent enough back office jobs to do that... but I guess that is a different issue.
Personally I think Civil Servants have no right to complain - afterall everyone else has to retire at that age too - what makes them so special?
What the whole country should be doing is demanding the pension age come back down to 60 for everyone.
I also agree that contributions should go up, and that it should be based on a career average.

Just so you all know - new employees since 2007 in most civil service jobs do have a career average pension already - and have the higher age of retirement.

markeymark

TheSaint wrote: »

It would be madness to expect firefighters, police etc to work on the front line upto 65 - it just wouldn't be physically possible. But it would be ok for them to get transferred into back office jobs.

prison officers included, the forgotten service,the police just deal with the scum for a cpl hours, we have them for years!!

paparossco

shorted wrote: »

most recognise the implications of leaving the pay,working conditions etc,the private sector can only dream of.

Terms & conditions or the conditions we work under? Somehow I doubt if private sector workers would 'dream of' some of the sights, smells and tasks undertaken by NHS staff and other branches of the Public Sector.

edinburgher

It would be madness to expect firefighters, police etc to work on the front line upto 65 - it just wouldn't be physically possible. But it would be ok for them to get transferred into back office jobs.

I believe the age suggested is 60, nobody's suggesting 65 that I'm aware of.

TheSaint_2

60 is still too high for a physically punishing position too though. And if it is 60 now it will change to 65 / 68 eventually just to bring it into line with the rest of the country (which is only fair) - but I re-itterate my point, we should ALL be campaigning for the general age to be lowered back to 55 / 60 sort of area.

TheSaint_2

I just had a thought though - you know what could end up happening - a lot of people in these jobs will be retired early on full benefits due to ill health
I am sure that the demands of the jobs will force some people into it genuinely, but I am also sure that some people will push for it (fake it) to get out early.

BoxerfanUK

markeymark wrote: »

prison officers included, the forgotten service,the police just deal with the scum for a cpl hours, we have them for years!!

EXACTLY markeymark. I too am in the Prison service, and what grates on me is that the reference to 'uniform services' excludes us! :mad:

So, the 'uniform services' (Police Fire etc) aren't happy having to work until age 60... well try working in the Prison service until you are 68!!! A Prison Officer at 68 rolling around the floor trying to restrain violent prisoners, at some jails having to walk up three steep flights of stairs up and down up and down all day every day if they happen to be patrolling the fours landing, running hundreds of metres around a jail answering alarm bells, having to pass an annual fitness test..... and all at 68 years of age... complete madness if you ask me.

Some jobs like the Police have desk bound jobs whereby when you reach a certain age you can move to these easier roles. The prison service too used to have these, but not anymore, all these roles now filled by civilians or 'support grades', leaving the Prison Officer to work on the front line and the front line ONLY.

As you say markeymark, Prison Officers are the forgotten service, looking after the violent thugs robbers rapists and killers long after the Police and general public have completely forgotton about them or their crimes and as long as we keep these people behing those walls the public couln't care a stuff about them.... OR US for that matter.

TheSaint_2

Presumably Boxerfan if you transfer to a civilian grade that counts as if you had left your job and your pension is screwed?