Written Warning- disciplinary procedure

ohreally

beautifuldachshund wrote: »

Is there not some standard rule regarding such hearings that state they must be fully noted on file, by a 3rd party (who isn't there to support the employee, just simply there to note-take and be witness) and that the employee must sign something to say they have received it and everything is above board?

No such rule. You should realise that a note taker, in this context, would be there by management invitation and be an employee therefore there would be next to no impartiality achieved by doing this anyway.

Even if management have a note-taker present - bear in mind, managements agenda is being met by doing this - always, always take your own notes where possible.

Sambucus_Nigra

beautifuldachshund wrote: »

He was offered to take someone in with him but this was just as someone to fight his corner.

jazzyman01 wrote: »

There are very clear rules regarding disciplinary processes. He must be given the opportunity to have someone attend with him - there is no indication (unless I missed it) that your OH had this.

You missed it.

Judith_W

I wonder whether they would have gone to disciplinary if he had put the order in the first time he was reminded. I don't know how much of a loss there would have been from it being replaced a couple of hours later, but it certainly shows a capability issue if it was forgotten again after the reminder, and a lack of understanding of the importance of the issue.

heretolearn_2

hi

Just agreeing that they have followed the procedure correctly, they offered to let him bring someone in with him as they have to, there's no requirement for anyone else to be present.

Also if he did take someone with him, their role is not to 'fight his corner' for him, they just offer him support, he still has to speak for himself. The accompanying person can comment, but cannot ask questions unless the management agrees.

Anyway as he was clearly in the wrong, there isn't much to discuss.

A written warning isn't necessarily that much trouble, it's just a more serious issue, which this was. It's 'level 2' of the possible outcomes - verbal warning, written warning, final written warning, dismissal. It will come off his record in 12 months, if he's always done a good job before this, why are you worried?

beautifuldachshund

heretolearn- I'm worried because of the treatment he has received from day one of starting this new role. His manager has just constantly pulled him up on bad areas and never praised him for anything, and always compares him to the guy who did the role beforehand (who had done it for 3 years!). I just feel he is being treated unfairly in all this and above all, we both feel as though his manager is just setting him up for a fall and putting him on the path to getting rid of him.
Another part of me feels he is just doing all of this as a kick up the !!!! and as scare tactics to get my OH to be more conscientious etc, because, don't get me wrong, he works his socks off, but he is a little too laid back (although this applies to all aspects of his life, and not just work; he's just a chilled out kinda person). The fact is, despite him asking his manager for a comprehensive list off him of the areas he would like to see an improvement in in the next 6 wks time and still having not received this, just sort of backs my 'kick-up-the-!!!!' claims, as he hasn't even discussed this with him, just simply said 'carry on as you are and you'll be fine. I can't fault you at present', although my OH maintains he hasn't altered his work ethic etc at all!

I know its only 'level 2', but i can't help feeling uneasy about it given his past treatment and I just get the feeling its all been pushed and rushed just as a way to get it all done on file and hopefully, as a push in the right direction for my OH. I know he's done wrong but the mitigating circumstances behind should surely hold some ground in it all?

Rockporkchop

He made two big mistakes, the first was not putting in the order on the Tuesday when he said he would and the second was thinking that a disciplinary was an appropriate place to air all his grievances from the last seven months.

He should have gone into the disciplinary and been extremely contrite and apologetic, then he would probably have got away with it.

If he was so distraught about his grandmother's passing that he was unable to complete simple tasks, he should probably have booked a couple of extra days off as holiday after the funeral.