csa and employers??

minxtress

Looked through posts and can't seem to find anything relevant to my question so hope someone can shed some light on this.
Do employers have to deduct earnings from thier employees if contacted by the CSA or can they refuse. Also if the employee went self employed are they then under no obligation to pay the csa for that person.
Thanks

speedster

companies can be fined £1000 (i think) for non compliance with a DEO request.

if employee becomes self employed then the nazis have to chase them themselves.

another tip for self employed is to NEVER agree to set up a direct debit. set up a standing order

if you need their bank details, PM me and i'll give you the link.

if they try to refuse a SO, send them WEEKLY cheques. take it from me, it REALLY pizzes them off. i did it for 3 months, in the end, they sent me the bank details to set up a SO.

being self employed levels the playing field somewhat. they cant push you around and destroy you.

without a mandatory DEO they're bollixed cos that's their main weapon.

minxtress

Cool Il advise my friend to try the self employed route. For all the do-gooders, its not that he doesnt want to pay for his children he just doesnt want to pay £480 a month when he only gets £1100, a bit much considering his ex hasnt let him have any contact with his 3 girls for the past 8 years. The system is extremely unfair

clearingout

He needs to take matters into his own hands - very easy to say 'my ex won't let me see the children' but the court system is very much in favour of children having a relationship with both parents and as such, a solicitor isn't generally needed to acheive this. Your friend should google Families Need Fathers who will provide support and advice on this issue. Does he really want to have his adult children ask why he didn't fight for them?

It isn't acceptable that he hasn't seen his children, but nor is it acceptable that they aren't adequately supported. The figures you are giving suggest that he has arrears to be paying - is this the fault of the CSA or him for ignoring things (can easily be a mixture of the two!). Going self employed in the current climate when you have secure work is very, very risky.

Apologies if I'm being harsh - don't mean to be. I can appreciate his frustration.

minxtress

He has tried through the courts and other various ways to see them, and his girls wont grow up thinking he hasnt tried to see them, they know the struggles and lengths he has gone to, and they also know its thier mothers doing. I could write pages on the lengths he has gone to. I think what people fail to realise is the costs involved in going through the courts, to be granted access for the mother to say things like "sorry theyre at a party this weekend" "sorry dd is ill this weekend" or just not answering the door after hes driven 150 mile to collect them every fortnight. The courts can make an order but they cant enforce it and this is where the problem lies, no punishment has ever been given to his ex for not sticking to the court order.
He gave her £300 a month for years and she then decided to go through the csa to get more and denied he had been giving her these payments for years, he, foolishly had just given her it in cash so had no proof. He has avoided the csa for the last year so part of this is arrears, but for a man who has suffered a complete breakdown over this whole business and had a 4 month stay in hospital for the this, he is just as his wits end now.
He doesnt disagree with paying for his children he disagress with the nazi style policing of it and peoples perception of absent fathers doesnt help.

bridgend_girl

doesn't fit with my experience of the courts - they can and frequently do enforce contact and penalise parents with care who do not keep to court arrangements. Going to court is straightforward and many parents represent themselves - court costs are low. If he was a determined parent he would see them. Wikivorce is full of advice in these matters.


Like wise if he started paying the CSA voluntarily then they would not go straight for the maximum 40% of net pay to cover his current obligations and his arrears,

Perhaps your "friend" should start paying towards the upkeep of his children and spend less time trying to avoid his responsibilities.


Harsh - but not as harsh as knowing your father feared more about his rights than his obligations.

minxtress

bridgend_girl wrote: »

doesn't fit with my experience of the courts - they can and frequently do enforce contact and penalise parents with care who do not keep to court arrangements. Going to court is straightforward and many parents represent themselves - court costs are low. If he was a determined parent he would see them. Wikivorce is full of advice in these matters.


Like wise if he started paying the CSA voluntarily then they would not go straight for the maximum 40% of net pay to cover his current obligations and his arrears,

Perhaps your "friend" should start paying towards the upkeep of his children and spend less time trying to avoid his responsibilities.


Harsh - but not as harsh as knowing your father feared more about his rights than his obligations.

Is that your direct experience of the courts or something you have heard, as he has had a very different experience.
No not all are the same but dont start jumping to conclusions and playing the fathers dont give a sh*t card as it isnt the case here.

kelloggs36

minxtress wrote: »

Cool Il advise my friend to try the self employed route. For all the do-gooders, its not that he doesnt want to pay for his children he just doesnt want to pay £480 a month when he only gets £1100, a bit much considering his ex hasnt let him have any contact with his 3 girls for the past 8 years. The system is extremely unfair

Why is he paying so much when the max for 3 or more children is £295? must be arrears owed?

bridgend_girl

direct experience.

If i was kept from my kids I would be in court as often as i could and would research the law and read everything until I could see them. Not being able to afford a solicitor would not stop me. What involvement have CAFCASS had? They always favour contact with both parents - unless there is violence and/or abuse - even then he would still be in with a chance of supervised contact. (Not saying it's a good thing but it is true)

minxtress

kelloggs36 wrote: »

Why is he paying so much when the max for 3 or more children is £295? must be arrears owed?

I have said arrears owed.

speedster

bridgend_girl wrote: »

doesn't fit with my experience of the courts - they can and frequently do enforce contact and penalise parents with care who do not keep to court arrangements. Going to court is straightforward and many parents represent themselves - court costs are low. If he was a determined parent he would see them. Wikivorce is full of advice in these matters.


Like wise if he started paying the CSA voluntarily then they would not go straight for the maximum 40% of net pay to cover his current obligations and his arrears,

Perhaps your "friend" should start paying towards the upkeep of his children and spend less time trying to avoid his responsibilities.


Harsh - but not as harsh as knowing your father feared more about his rights than his obligations.

i've read some utter tripe on here but that's just gone straight to number 1.

all i can say is, you clearly have limited experience in court matters or a PWC who flouts court orders.

the courts do have the powers to enforce and even jail non compliant PWC, yet hesitate to use them, unlike the nazis at the csa who use and abuse every draconian power they have on NRP's

perhaps if some of the sadistic chimps at the CSA swapped jobs with a few from HMCS then things might be a bit different.

and minxtress, take no notice of the bollix quoted above and tell your friend to go SE and cut off the contact blocking b1tch's cash. see if that kick starts her into allowing contact.

leave her stewing on a fiver a week for a while and i'll bet the promise of upping the money later will make her think about it at least.

if it don't, fiver a week it is.

if you need any questions or need any PROPER advice, feel free to PM me.