Postpone some of the cuts?

StevieJ

Graham_Devon wrote: »

The coalition was always going to lose the war on cuts. There is no way to win.

They need help with presentation at the moment. They need to step away from the party political stuff, of which I must say, Damien did quite well last night, though you could see he was getting disheartened.
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Why don't they get a PR consultant in, what about this guy? No not the one at the back

DervProf

LauraW10 wrote: »

So, surely what you meant to say is that people needed to be reminded every 13 years just how incompetent the Conservatives really are at managing the UK economy.:)

:rotfl:

One of New Labour's own (jokingly ?) said that there was no money left.

Here's one of New Labour's cabinet being asked a simple question about the economy.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEyj9Ui6p20&feature=related

Under New Labour, NR were allowed to provide 125% mortgages (before going bust).

How much is the public spending defecit ?

You can make all the excuses you like, just those few little matters make me think that Labour are not to be trusted with running the economy.

ffacoffipawb

DervProf wrote: »

You can make all the excuses you like, just those few little matters make me think that Labour are not to be trusted with running the economy.

Labour are not to be trusted with running a bath.

Graham_Devon

DervProf wrote: »

:rotfl:

One of New Labour's own (jokingly ?) said that there was no money left.

Here's one of New Labour's cabinet being asked a simple question about the economy.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEyj9Ui6p20&feature=related

Under New Labour, NR were allowed to provide 125% mortgages (before going bust).

How much is the public spending defecit ?

You can make all the excuses you like, just those few little matters make me think that Labour are not to be trusted with running the economy.

Yvette talking over presenters and not answering questions? And lo and behold....blame the americans!

What a surprise.

DervProf

Booo !, Wail !, Moan ! , Whinge ! The conservatives are not going to carry on spending money the country isn't earning.

Labour wouldn't be so stupid, they'd carry on spending (maybe not quite as much as they were, they'd try to have the annual defecit within about 4 years :j). You have to spend to encourage the economy to grow, then you can pay off your debts. Oh, hang on a second....... 13 years of New Labour, surely enough time to "invest", the reap the rewards of that investment. So, where are the rewards ? Oh, I see, the NHS, Schools and Universities etc. Yes, they have arguably been improved by labour, but at what cost ? If labour spent money they hadn't got on improving public services, how on earth are they, or the conservatives going to continue to supply the funds required to maintain these services ?

I've learned in life that you do have to speculate to accumulate, but you don't speculate with money that you are not likely to earn. Sometimes it pays to look after what you've got, and learn to do without some things - just be content with what you've got.

wageslave

Heaven knows I am no economist but I have ran a household for years.

You have a certain amount of income, you ring fence a proportion for essentials, save a bit and use what is left to improve your standard of living. Every now and then you borrow to make a large purchase such as a roof over your familys head.

In what way is running a country really any different?

We, as a nation, spent too much on stuff we couldn't actually afford (wageslave<--kicks new radley bag under bed and looks innocent) and saved too little.

Now we are paying the piper.

However when fine tuning my expenditure there are things it would be foolish to skimp on.

I can turn down the heating a few degrees but if I don't allow enough for petrol to get me to work I end up with no job and a severely reduced income.

Cutting anything (and I do mean anything) that stimulates the economy and safeguards employment seems plain daft to me.

Cut benefits by all means, these have become a luxury we can't afford.

Work should pay, idleness shouldn't

Thrugelmir

Sir_Humphrey wrote: »

It is how Capitalism works. Are suggesting that businesses should not borrow? Or are you saying that businesses should borrow, but governments should not, even though governments are less likely to default?

Actually, what is your point exactly? :think:

So why are the majority of the NHS trusts currently insolvent?

13 years of health policy and management have left many bust. So when the envitable cuts happen in hospitals who will Ed blame?

wageslave

Borrowing isn't wrong.

Borrowing more than you can afford to repay is.

The NHS is a particularly sore point with me. I spent a Saturday night with two little girls, one of them anything but well, sitting in a drafty waiting room amongst an assortment of drunks and junkies waiting to see a doctor.

The problem with the NHS is every workshy bu gg er and his wife is claiming disability and draining the system dry.

Despite promises to the contrary I see no evidence that the government is making any inroads on, what I see as a disgraceful misuse of public funds.

Oh I forgot, they are handing the NHS over to the GP's. That would be the same people who certified half the country as unfit to work:cool:

naughtybish

wageslave wrote: »

Borrowing isn't wrong.

Borrowing more than you can afford to repay is.

The NHS is a particularly sore point with me. I spent a Saturday night with two little girls, one of them anything but well, sitting in a drafty waiting room amongst an assortment of drunks and junkies waiting to see a doctor.

The problem with the NHS is every workshy bu gg er and his wife is claiming disability and draining the system dry.

Despite promises to the contrary I see no evidence that the government is making any inroads on, what I see as a disgraceful misuse of public funds.

Oh I forgot, they are handing the NHS over to the GP's. That would be the same people who certified half the country as unfit to work:cool:

I agree ,

The public sector is now bigger than the private sector.
which it is completely and utterly unsustainable.

i mean ,last year they paid more out in social welfare alone than was raised in taxes !

In swathes of northern Britain the state now accounts for a bigger share of the economy than it did in communist countries in the old eastern bloc !:eek:

Even China's public sector has shrunk to less than 40% of the country's economy, and an even smaller share of industry and services.

no wonder One of China's top industrialists when asked what he thought
about the high taxation of a Entrepreneurs within the uk,
he said it is crazy to punish success
ie, why would they ever want to bother in the first place.

with less constraints , China and India's economies
are moving at breathtaking pace .
if you asked some of these young tycoons to have come to
Britains Northeast back in the 1960's they would of jumped at the chance .. now however they would view it as a prison sentence.

Osbornes cuts are a mere gesture , its like trying to
bail out lake windermere with an egg cup
(whilst its raining :rotfl: ) the defict will continue to rise and rise

question is how long can we keep our heads above the water ?

Bish

LauraW10

Wookster wrote: »

So laura, how does adding to the national debt help to reduce the national debt?

:rotfl:

You're not very bright are you?

I've posted numerous articles on this thread from Economists explaining why the Conservatives will end up increasing the national debt. Perhaps you should read them?

I have used the views of experts to back up my POV. Sadly, I've seen nothing from you to back up yours.

I'm well educated, so your insults don't hurt me Generally speaking I find that when people are reduced to hurling insults it means they have run out of good arguments. Just an observation.