Can Anyone Work Out What My Hourly Wage Is (School Term Time Job)

Salz

I'm on the £5.95 side - if your monthly pay is £773.06. x 12 is £9276.72 pa. Divide by 52 for the weeks is £178.40, Divide by 30 hours is £5.95

stressedoutmum

Salz: think thats why I am getting confused. Why would I work the pay out over 52 weeks when schools are only 39 weeks per year??

Salz

stressedoutmum wrote: »

Salz: think thats why I am getting confused. Why would I work the pay out over 52 weeks when schools are only 39 weeks per year??

Because its irrelevant that it's worked out over 39 weeks. You have got a pa amount of £9276.72,and a monthly salary of £773.06. It could be that you dont get paid for holidays, and this is reflected through your payslip, but if you are only on a short term contract, this would be a bit unfair, as you dont get the 6 weeks off in the summer (nor the October half term as you started in November) as your contract ends then.
However, I do understand the confusion, you just have to look at it as a bonus that you get 2 weeks off at Easter etc and it is all paid for. There is no way that schools/ Unis could pay people according to the hours they work each month as how could all the staff cope with not being paid at all for July.

You need to know for finding other jobs, so the paying for holidays doesnt matter - if £773.06 per month is enough for you to live on then £5.95 an hour is what you need
Sorry, I think I rambled :eek:

Spendless

stressedoutmum wrote: »

No it doesnt say anything about hourly pay on my pay slip. I am support staff (admin) and work term time only. All my payslip says is

(salary 9276.73) 773.06

then tax and insurance are taken off but nothing of hourly pay. It is a very basic slip. At the top it gives you all your tax info etc so would my pay then be:

9276/32/30 = £9.66 per hour??

Also Ive read somewhere that school pays is calculated over 39 weeks term time plus 4 weeks holiday entitlement plus bank hols etc = 46 weeks per year. Would the rate then be
£13338/46/30

Do you get 4 weeks paid holiday though? Or is that how much you can eventually 'acquire' if you work there for x amount of time? As in my example of the school sec where I volunteered. To me you shouldn't be dividing by 52 as you aren't paid when the school is shut (ie term-time only contract).

Is there no wages helpline you can ring for clarification?

MrRedundant

The hourly rate is £9.24

£13,338/39/37

paddedjohn

MrRedundant wrote: »

The hourly rate is £9.24

£13,338/39/37

if so then why doesnt she get £1,201 per month??

getmore4less

It is easy for schools to fiddle the pay for short term contracts like this.

Where do they get the pro rata rate from that looks wrong to me.

Having said that they can offer what they want for a job(over NMW) you decide if you want it.


What you have to do is take the full time wage, take the number of weeks that is normaly worked then add the holiday weeks to get total weeks paid.


Then you need to prorata for the number of weeks actualy worked and the part time hours.

That give you the total amount you should be paid for the time you work this include the relevent holiday pay. they can pay this how they like since you will have take the holidays outside term time and there are plenty of days for this.

Just make sure you get the full pay due. the way they are calculating it I don't think you will.

Interestingly if they say that the the ful time workers gat paid for ALL the school holidays that is in your favour because you will acrrue holidays that will need paying at the end of the contract.


Ok here are some figures based on statutory holidays and a 39 week full term time employee doing 37 hours for £13338. and what a part time 38 weeks 30hours( to see the efect of missing a week)

39/52 * 5.6 is the statutory holidays = 4.2

So total weeks paid is 43.2,

working 38 weeks gives 4.1 weeks holiday so total paid of 42.1

prorata is (42.1/43.2) * (30/37) * £13338 = £10539

That is the amount that should be paid for this contract prorata to a full time employee. So how do the get less?

£10539/(38*30) = £9.24ph.


JUst relaised you did not work the firrst part of the Autumn term so only work for 39 less the 6 weeks so that is 33 weeks

33/52 *5.6 is 3.56 holiday so 36.56 total

prorata £9152 which is close enough to what they got if my exact number of weeks and holiday is out a bit.

What you have to do is make sure you get this full amount.

The case is that at termination any shortfall from this total is unpaid accrued holidays.

GavB79

The figure I gave of £6.91 is correct, trust me this is part of my job! Holiday pay is spread over the 12 months so you get equal pay each month, as you cannot choose when to take your holiday. If you work 39 weeks (term time plus training days), you get holiday pay for, say 5 weeks including bank holidays, and the remaining 8 weeks are unpaid. This is all spread out over 12 equal pay periods.

£6.91 x 30hrs x 44 weeks = £9,121 pro rata, roughly what you have been told.
£6.91 x 37hrs (full time) x 52 weeks (all year round) = £13,295, roughly the per annum amount you gave!

I don't know what County you are in, but in mine if you are working on the last day of term you should be paid up to the end of the holiday period if you are not going directly into other employment. If you changed schools to start somewhere else at the start of September, they would pay you from the 1st Sept. If you were only paid up to the 23rd July you would receive nothing in August and would also lose your continuous service; this is not on!

Edit: The fact you are not there a full year is irrelevant, any over/under payment will be resolved in your final pay period.

stressedoutmum

Well I went to the personnel dept/wages dept today and they can't tell me my hourly rate. She just gets the figure from a sheet she has - she doesn't calculate them. Apparently I'm only paid until the end of July and not for the whole of August as I am covering maternity leave so I am only eligible to receive pay until end of July so I am still not sure if they include a holiday allowance as well

stressedoutmum

just found my original offer. I am on NJC Scale 1 £13,589 (pro rata £9,277) but still doesn't say whether they include hols etc and what the hourly rate is? Looking at all the different replies here its no wonder I get confused. Thanks