Anyone on here lowered their cholesterol WITHOUT taking statins ?

Eric_Pisch

my readings where way over 10+ ...

I have now cut it down to the 4.3-4.8 range without drugs

I have done this by loosing some weight, taking a little exercise (3 hours a week) but mostly by adjusting my diet to something closer to what we are evolved for, a reduced carb (under 100g a day) and moderate fat diet.

35-40% of my cal intake is fat and a lot of it is animal fat (tonnes of cheese, semi skimmed milk and red meat), just goes to confirm the WHO study in 2010 on 350k people that ingested cholesterol has no relation to blood serum cholesterol.

The final nail in the low fat high carb diet scam

a meta-analysis published this week in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. It pooled together data from 21 unique studies that included almost 350,000 people, about 11,000 of whom developed cardiovascular disease (CVD), tracked for an average of 14 years, and concluded that there is no relationship between the intake of saturated fat and the incidence of heart disease or stroke.

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2010/01/19/eating_saturated_fat_does_not_cause_heart_disease_health_supreme_newsgrabs_tuesday_19_january_2010.htm

It should be noted that eating some healthy fats and oils did show a reduction in risk thou, so eat both

Gillyx

easy wrote: »

Yes, I'm pretty sure that I read something a couple of months ago that said eggs had been found to be OK when it comes to choleststerol levels.
ETA :- Yes here it is http://www.surrey.ac.uk/mediacentre/press/2009/2840_twoegg_diet_cracks_cholesterol_issue.htm

Hmm that's weird I was at docs today and she was still banging on about this, she said a few is okay, but not to over do it. (I don't suffer myself right enough so who knows)

easy

Gillyx wrote: »

Hmm that's weird I was at docs today and she was still banging on about this, she said a few is okay, but not to over do it. (I don't suffer myself right enough so who knows)

But that is part of the problem we have with sooo many health issues. Research is always going on, and the advice about things changes. If your GP isn't the sort that reads their medical journals dilligently, they stick with older advice (and a lot get very huffy if you point out you have read different advice somewhere).

Anyone who has had 2 or 3 children a few years apart knows this problem - A few years ago mothers were advised to give babies water to drink in hot weather, then it changed to NEVER give a young bvaby anything but milk. Similarly the whole weaning issue, about 2 years ago suddenly everyone was advised to offer babies NOTHING but milk until 6 months old. Last week a study was published advising that babies should be offered solids from about 4 an a 1/2 months .....

Eric_Pisch

easy wrote: »

But that is part of the problem we have with sooo many health issues. Research is always going on, and the advice about things changes. If your GP isn't the sort that reads their medical journals dilligently, they stick with older advice (and a lot get very huffy if you point out you have read different advice somewhere).

Anyone who has had 2 or 3 children a few years apart knows this problem - A few years ago mothers were advised to give babies water to drink in hot weather, then it changed to NEVER give a young bvaby anything but milk. Similarly the whole weaning issue, about 2 years ago suddenly everyone was advised to offer babies NOTHING but milk until 6 months old. Last week a study was published advising that babies should be offered solids from about 4 an a 1/2 months .....

yep

its only just been shown that Aspirin does not increase the risk of internal bleeding, that on top of the 30% reduction in cancer if taken long term.

easy

Sooooo from what I'm reading right now from here and other sources, it seems that :-

Eating pumpkin seeds/oats/wheatgerm that will "mop up" the LDL you produce internally works well.
More exercise works well.
Generally losing excess weight works well
Eating less stuff that has saturated fats might make some difference, but isn't as significant (but it's a good idea anyway, esp if you are trying to lose weight)
Eating stuff that contains trans-fats is intrinsically a bad idea (but thats cos it's chemically produced carp anyway)
Eating stuff that has unsaturated fats won't cause problems with LDL

Gillyx

easy wrote: »

But that is part of the problem we have with sooo many health issues. Research is always going on, and the advice about things changes. If your GP isn't the sort that reads their medical journals dilligently, they stick with older advice (and a lot get very huffy if you point out you have read different advice somewhere).

Anyone who has had 2 or 3 children a few years apart knows this problem - A few years ago mothers were advised to give babies water to drink in hot weather, then it changed to NEVER give a young bvaby anything but milk. Similarly the whole weaning issue, about 2 years ago suddenly everyone was advised to offer babies NOTHING but milk until 6 months old. Last week a study was published advising that babies should be offered solids from about 4 an a 1/2 months .....

She's actually quite young and seems clued up on alot of stuff, so I duno doesn't effect me anyway 'cause I don't eat loads of eggs, but my dad was told to cut down by his doc (a more old fashioned man) when he got his statins increased, but my dad eats ALOT of eggs, so could be something to do with it.

elisebutt65

Eric_Pisch wrote: »

my readings where way over 10+ ...

I have now cut it down to the 4.3-4.8 range without drugs

I have done this by loosing some weight, taking a little exercise (3 hours a week) but mostly by adjusting my diet to something closer to what we are evolved for, a reduced carb (under 100g a day) and moderate fat diet.

35-40% of my cal intake is fat and a lot of it is animal fat (tonnes of cheese, semi skimmed milk and red meat), just goes to confirm the WHO study in 2010 on 350k people that ingested cholesterol has no relation to blood serum cholesterol.

The final nail in the low fat high carb diet scam

a meta-analysis published this week in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. It pooled together data from 21 unique studies that included almost 350,000 people, about 11,000 of whom developed cardiovascular disease (CVD), tracked for an average of 14 years, and concluded that there is no relationship between the intake of saturated fat and the incidence of heart disease or stroke.

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2010/01/19/eating_saturated_fat_does_not_cause_heart_disease_health_supreme_newsgrabs_tuesday_19_january_2010.htm

It should be noted that eating some healthy fats and oils did show a reduction in risk thou, so eat both

Yup - agree - mine is around 3.8-4 and I eat a low, low carb diet - around 20-50 grams a day.
I'd say my diet is around 45-50% fat!!! - mostly dairy and heaps of red meat, with the occasional nut thrown in if I'm snacking.

Even the statin drugs have a very small disclaimer stating that they haven't been proven to stop heart disease:rotfl:

I've also lost 2 stone since July with this way of eating(not a diet - it's for life) Blood sugar is now nice and low again so reduced my risk of diabetes as well

People don't seem to realise that we actually need cholesterol to make our cells work - or we die - simple as! I even eat gelatin melted into tea at night now and my joints have got so much better - but I do prefer getting it from pork scratchings:D

easy

Eric_Pisch wrote: »

my readings where way over 10+ ...

I have now cut it down to the 4.3-4.8 range without drugs

I have done this by loosing some weight, taking a little exercise (3 hours a week) but mostly by adjusting my diet to something closer to what we are evolved for, a reduced carb (under 100g a day) and moderate fat diet.

35-40% of my cal intake is fat and a lot of it is animal fat (tonnes of cheese, semi skimmed milk and red meat), just goes to confirm the WHO study in 2010 on 350k people that ingested cholesterol has no relation to blood serum cholesterol.

The final nail in the low fat high carb diet scam

a meta-analysis published this week in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. It pooled together data from 21 unique studies that included almost 350,000 people, about 11,000 of whom developed cardiovascular disease (CVD), tracked for an average of 14 years, and concluded that there is no relationship between the intake of saturated fat and the incidence of heart disease or stroke.

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2010/01/19/eating_saturated_fat_does_not_cause_heart_disease_health_supreme_newsgrabs_tuesday_19_january_2010.htm

It should be noted that eating some healthy fats and oils did show a reduction in risk thou, so eat both

elisebutt65 wrote: »

Yup - agree - mine is around 3.8-4 and I eat a low, low carb diet - around 20-50 grams a day.
I'd say my diet is around 45-50% fat!!! - mostly dairy and heaps of red meat, with the occasional nut thrown in if I'm snacking.

Even the statin drugs have a very small disclaimer stating that they haven't been proven to stop heart disease:rotfl:

I've also lost 2 stone since July with this way of eating(not a diet - it's for life) Blood sugar is now nice and low again so reduced my risk of diabetes as well

People don't seem to realise that we actually need cholesterol to make our cells work - or we die - simple as! I even eat gelatin melted into tea at night now and my joints have got so much better - but I do prefer getting it from pork scratchings:D

Now, that's interesting. My dh (up until xmas when it all went out of the window) had been trying to cut down a bit on the fatty foods and concentrate on the carbs to lose some weight (we eat quite a bit of Pasta & rice here). The weight was going - very slooooooowly - but of course now his cholesterol has gone up

Yours posts also make my previous post pretty redundant

easy wrote: »

Sooooo from what I'm reading right now from here and other sources, it seems that :-

Eating pumpkin seeds/oats/wheatgerm that will "mop up" the LDL you produce internally works well.
More exercise works well.
Generally losing excess weight works well
Eating less stuff that has saturated fats might make some difference, but isn't as significant (but it's a good idea anyway, esp if you are trying to lose weight)
Eating stuff that contains trans-fats is intrinsically a bad idea (but thats cos it's chemically produced carp anyway)
Eating stuff that has unsaturated fats won't cause problems with LDL

elisebutt65

Eating stuff that contains trans-fats is intrinsically a bad idea (but thats cos it's chemically produced carp anyway)

Urgh! trans fat are food of the devil!!!! It's only put in to make the food last longer, so god knows what it does to your own body (cancer, stroke??)

I only use butter and olive oil now and really look at labels. I don't buy much ready made stuff anyway cos you'd be amazed at what they put sugar in.

I just had a couple of lovely river cobbler fillets and mushy peas for tea - I did let the kids have chips with theirs as it's the once a week treat:rotfl:

Eric_Pisch

easy wrote: »

Now, that's interesting. My dh (up until xmas when it all went out of the window) had been trying to cut down a bit on the fatty foods and concentrate on the carbs to lose some weight (we eat quite a bit of Pasta & rice here). The weight was going - very slooooooowly - but of course now his cholesterol has gone up

Yours posts also make my previous post pretty redundant

there seams to be a complex relationship between insulin, fat storage (insulin causes excess carbs to be stored like crazy), fat burning (insulin inhibits this), massive weight gain and CVD (which pretty much didn't exist 100 years ago)

it will probably be 15-20 years before they can do enough research to get definitive results but we do know that the majority of people who change over to a diet closer to how we used to eat have near perfect blood results.