NUS secretly pushed for drastic cuts in grants

ILW

Surely, if a student were able to get a degree in two years with the same grade as another took three years to complete, it would show that they are brighter, more hard working, or both. This would impress me as an employer.

lostinrates

ILW wrote: »

Surely, if a student were able to get a degree in two years with the same grade as another took three years to complete, it would show that they are brighter, more hard working, or both. This would impress me as an employer.

I think the research/theses argument has to be considered.

FWIW modular degrees can already be condensed a bit..or could''inmy day'' but it can be hard to get the institution to agree and IME you had to pay for the modules extra to your yearly allotted number. However, I am quite strongly of the opinion that modular learning and examination is not really as challenging for most and IME was fundamentally easier in its nature: not really such a great guideline for employers wanting academic ability/intellectual development in addition to the demonstrated hard work and ''hunger''.

ILW

I did stress that this is between two students who achieved identical grades at finals. Do you think that examiners or assessors would downgrade the two year student even if the results were equal?

lostinrates

ILW wrote: »

I did stress that this is between two students who achieved identical grades at finals. Do you think that examiners or assessors would downgrade the two year student even if the results were equal?

No. My extra modules were marked as normal. BUT that is not to say that more is not required fro a second year than a first year.

I think % results would be the same, but outcomes..rather than result.. could nevertheless be different.

Also, borderline classes might be interesting. Demonstration of progression could be a factor...it was referred to a lot IME and one of the reasons ''condensing'' was frowned upon..

My guess is that more students means less fussing over grades. Perhaps less attention is given to ability other than cold percentage mark now? I don't know.

Batchy

vaporate wrote: »

The 'debts' students will leave with will be at least 27k if charged 9k per year. Throw in food, accommodation, books, travel, leisure and you are looking at around 45k.

I'm just glad I did my degree before this rubbish policy, sorry stitch up, came about.

I went to uni and worked two part time jobs.
I had a good lifestyle, and money always in my pocket.

I also got an easy 2.1 and could have got a 1st if I ever managed to open my books to study, but I didnt! My choice... don't think it would impact my life now if I did, 2.1 is more than acceptable grade.

If you dont like the debt/ fee's and money / cash flow issues, then dont go to uni, get a job and get them to pay for HND and then continuous development. Its not rocket science. If I was a potential student now, I would work hard on A levels and look for somewhere with on the job training, related to a field I wanted to work in.

However, I worked damn hard while at uni, to make sure I left virtually debt free. However the hard work started when I took a full time training job following uni to continue my professional education... times were really hard then!!!

the_flying_pig

Kohoutek wrote: »

Of course not, but the Tories are proposing to raise the cost of higher education for everyone; Aaron Porter's proposal was to raise it only for people who currently qualify for grants, including for people already at university dependent on grants. That's why I would say it's regressive.

aye. most student politicians come from highly moneyed backgrounds.

it makes perfect sense for the NUS to push for measures that cut support that's specifically targeted at the plebs in order to prevent the wealthy having to pay more.

StevieJ

vaporate wrote: »

Erm not really.

If one uni charges less, one might see it as less quality over another uni that charges more.

lol I find it hard how a uni can be seen as attractive charging fees around the 6 to 9 k mark.

Overseas student fee levels you know.

That is probably because they are.