What does 'outwith' mean

amibovvered

Tigsteroonie wrote: »

Incidentally (and totally apropos of nothing), there is a place just outside Stamford called "St Martins Without". I was always told that it related to the church that was outside the town walls, as opposed to "within" the town walls. Anyone know if this is true?

I would imagine so - as in the hymn 'There is a green hill far away without a city wall' which always puzzled me as a kid because I'd never seen a hill with a city wall . . .

amibovvered

jackieglasgow wrote: »

Scotch should only be used in reference to food or drinks, Scotch Pie, Scotch Egg, Scotch whisky etc.

Ah yes, forgot the food. But deffo not people!

jackieglasgow

I know that lyric as "....outside a city wall...."

mumslave

amibovvered wrote: »

I'd never heard of it until 5 minutes ago when I saw it on the thread I read before this, and that was in a legal context. So when I saw this thread I was intrigued - I'm in my 50s, educated to A level and have read a lot all my life so consider myself to have a pretty wide vocabulary, but have not come across it before! I'm north of England too, we don't get many Scots round here!

Slightly OT - was just watching Flog It! and someone referred to his antecedents as Scotch. I thought that was a real no-no unless you are referring to the drink, or am I out of date on that? :santa2:

Its a no no here, it would be like me going to an english chap and calling him earl gray.

Butterscotch-

Heart_Shaped_Diamond wrote: »

Just wondering, if the Scots posting in here are like me, from the Glasgow area... or are outwith?

I'm in Aberdeen.

Only discovered it was Scottish when I checked when spellchecker picked it up.

amibovvered

jackieglasgow wrote: »

I know that lyric as "....outside a city wall...."

I suspect that may be a modernised version, since that's what it actually means anyway - or maybe it just depends which hymn book it appears in. It saves little kids being confused, as I was!

Tigsteroonie

amibovvered wrote: »

I would imagine so - as in the hymn 'There is a green hill far away without a city wall' which always puzzled me as a kid because I'd never seen a hill with a city wall . . .

jackieglasgow wrote: »

I know that lyric as "....outside a city wall...."

Ami, you're right - I always sang "... without a city wall" too. Perhaps they changed the word to match more modern English.

Torry_Quine

Tigsteroonie wrote: »

Ami, you're right - I always sang "... without a city wall" too. Perhaps they changed the word to match more modern English.

I know it as 'without a city wall' which means outside the wall .

jackieglasgow

amibovvered wrote: »

I suspect that may be a modernised version, since that's what it actually means anyway - or maybe it just depends which hymn book it appears in. It saves little kids being confused, as I was!

Tigsteroonie wrote: »

Ami, you're right - I always sang "... without a city wall" too. Perhaps they changed the word to match more modern English.

Torry_Quine wrote: »

I know it as 'without a city wall' which means outside the wall .

Does that mean I am the baby of the bunch then? :D

thistledome

Scotch was the commonly used word in both England and Scotland for a Scot until the 19th century when educated Scots decided it was an English word and they didn't want to use it anymore, but that's no reason why English people shouldn't still use it.

I don't know why Jocks get so niggled by it. Robert Burns was quite happy to call himself the Scotch Bard. Everyone's desperate to find something to be offended by these days.