So unfair

top_drawer_2

hello,

I am having another poo time, something else which should be fairly easy just isnt and it led me to lose out on a (possible) job.

A company are offering to sponser people to work for a charity f/t for a period of time. I enquired with a charity awhile ago, completed a appl pack to volunteer on a occassional basis and spoke to the organiser, stated that I would need certain information (the day I first met him) and he emailed me and assured me that Yes the charity was keen .......

I have emailed back and forth and the info I needed hasnt been provided .... weekend before the one just gone I emailed him again stating that I needed the information. I even offered him a get out clause, but no assured me that yes they were positive. He replied saying now that he is not 100% regarding the funding for the charity as its only secured until early next year. He had previously stated that although they may lose the funding for one vein of what they do, another will still be continuing. Then I would need to have a interview with HR (never been mentioned before!). I replied last wednesday that I understood the situation re: funding but it didnt phase me and of course I would have an interview but I need to submit some basic info to start the process and meet the appl deadline.

On Thursday I spoke to someone who is on a board for another charity and they said it was possible that they would be able to find me something with them. I know this person as they run a group I am involved with. We spoke about what type of things I was willing to do (I'm not willing to be "used" for tea making duties as I will be gving up searching for work and will take a McJob with the view that this experience will enable me to gain experience I lack to break into a particular area, the sponser wont allow the job to start unitl March).

Last night I got this email stating that having read the info we would have to do some prep work incl. advertising the post because it's more than 16hrs. Due to the short notice we've not enough time to arrange for the post.

And later today .... sorry for the late reply, as not been able to speak to my boss. As things are uncertain and it is not guaranteed that the project will continue and there may not be program in March. It would be unfair for you to apply for a job that may not exist.

I am really angry and throughly p!ssed off - the first seems like a !!!!!! excuse and I kind of feel that its because its me. I met the main person of this charity and I yet again (as seems to happen a lot with me) I cant say we hit it off well and I think I came across badly. I did my best but she barely spoke and kept disappearing outside to spoke. The second reply is just really poor and he's made sure I cant meet the deadline by only replying today (deadline was today).

I'm so sick of everything. I'm sick of writing this stuff and nothing whatever I do ever changing. I'm sick of it being more about who you know and how good a mate you are with them than anything else. I'm sick of feeling angry and so damm lonely and having to put a nice face on for everyone. no-one wanted anything to with me period when I was too depressed to get out of bed.


TD

MrRedundant

Yes but what you forgot is the charities position. It might have been a form for you but what about all there work and costs as well as legal obligations? These sort of schemes rarely cover all the costs and the charity still end up spending a lot of time and money on the work when a lot of the time its easier to turn down the scheme.

Its clear that when they looked into it they couldnt justify the position.

top_drawer_2

No I dont forget anything, we spoke at length about these issues and he was very positive about it. Plus the reason he gives has not changed in the past six weeks so why didnt he say so at any of the several meeting I have had with him? The task would have taken around 1/2 a day and would have involved coming up with a some sort of specific job description, any training I can do before as I hoped to volunteer in another capacity at the same charity....We spoke at length about me volunteering there and he told me all about the courses that the regional/national office can put me forward for, he assured me that wasnt a problem. I mentioned costs etc etc and he was keen....... I also already have a CRB to volunteer with them so they can take that if they like, or the sponser will pay for another. I would also need a project of some sort to complete, sponser wants a tangible objective. Legal obligations are all covered as it would be same as taking on any other volunteer (which is what I was hoping to do anyway).

If that was the issue then why, right up until last Wednesday was he so adamant, that they were keen? Why did he assure me so and give me the impression he would give me the details I needed. Nothing has changed in the past six weeks and we discussed them at length.

Had he said .... XYZ therefore .... its not possible, then I could have pursued another charity.

MrRedundant

top_drawer wrote: »

Well then why didnt he state this x amount of weeks ago. It would have taken around a half a days work for him to come up with some sort of specific job description,

Possibly; but it could take far longer especially for charities. its fairly common for the manager to do it; then it to go to HR; then a trustee commitee and need to be graded etc. Not to mention to ensure it complies with the charities remit. This would take time and money.

the training I can do before as I hoped to volunteer in another capacity at the same charity....We spoke at length about me volunteering there and he told me all about the courses that the regional/national office can put me forward, he assured me that wasnt a problem.

But its still a cost they may not have had otherwise; courses would need to be run; staff time taken to induct you and so on.

I mentioned costs etc etc and he was keen....... I also already have a CRB to volunteer with them so they can take that if they like, or the sponser will pay for another.

What about the costs of the managing the position; what about cover when your off; what about cover when the project finishes; what about all the policies and procedures they need to follow? It isnt as simple as creating the job and thats it; it needs managed; resources; cover and so on.

I need to have some details of the role, a project of some sort to complete. Legal obligations are all covered as it would be same as taking on any other volunteer.

No it wouldnt as you would be classed as an employee. It may also be they don't need volunteers for the role/location being proposed.

If that was the issue then why, right up until last Wednesday was he so adamant, that they were keen? Why did he assure me so and give me the impression he would give me the details I needed. He knew all these things 6 weeks ago, I discussed it at length with him and he agreed he would contact his HR regarding.

He probably was keen and looking into it; Keen doesnt mean though you can overcome all the work and hassle involved in doing it.

Had he said XYZ therefore .... its not possible, then I could have pursued another charity.

I am afraid your post is fairly typical of an employee with little or no knowledge of how HR, management and charities work.

There are so many factors to be considered when employing someone as well as the fact that charities have all sort of regulations and governance to meet that simple decisions like employing people take time.

The Future Job Fund is an example; I have recently used this and the FJF itself does not cover even our basic salary costs of these people; then add to this the costs of training, recruitment, management, resources and so on we will end up approximately 3k down for each position. The member of staff is also on our books so all the legal HR compliance is our responsibility if it goes wrong along with the covering them when they are off etc as once you start something you cant just stop when that person is off on holiday.

These sort of schemes and funds are not anywhere near as attractive as made out to the charity.

top_drawer_2

Again, he maintained his position right up until the day the appl was due. If he knew any of this information, how he could in all conscience carry on telling me that its all good..... knowing full well that its not and knowing that I am interested in other charities and that I am keen (and employed in a !!!!!! job which I deperate to get out of) to get experience of the area.

Plus all this work could well have been done after the actual deadline on Tuesday. I only needed some very basic infromation from him to put on the application.

Courses are run regionally for this charity and externally. It may be a cost they wouldnt otherwise have had but then that is the area and would only be the same as any other volunteer. He was very specific when I enquired, there most definitely is positions at the location.

As I said, he knew it was a job opportunity for me and he made it impossible for me to have a bash at it.

Oldernotwiser

I thought this thread was in the Arms?

heretolearn_2

He's told you the reason. Due to funding problems he doesn't even know if the project is going to be running next year. Perhaps he didn't know this when he started talking to you. He's probably more concerned about his own job and those of the people who already work for him, than in dealing with all this to basically do you a favour (taking on an untrained, inexperienced member of staff is a huge investment of time, money and resources, even if their salary is funded. You would be gaining more than the charity overall).

top_drawer_2

I'm not going over it again. It obvious that very few people are willing to even see it from my perspective and prefer to jump on the bandwagon, offering advice which has very little evidence to support it and generally have a go.

Thank you the few people who managed to post something useful (I've thanked you) and the rest, well I hope it made your day to pile more !!!!!! on someone who is already having a rough time.

hartcjhart

well reading your posts it is no wonder they did not want you to work for them,attitude or what:eek:

top_drawer_2

hartcjhart wrote: »

well reading your posts it is no wonder they did not want you to work for them,attitude or what:eek:

Yet another helpful reply.

Have a look at the replies; anyone who is provoked often enough, offered no compassion or understanding (in some cases the posters just didnt bother to try to understand the situation before posting a scathing comment) prodded even told to have understanding for the person who has done the damage and then finally when I return a reasoned arguement why the comment has no basis is told their "attitude" is all wrong, is bound to rataliate.

Willow92

I posted a thread recently and the sh*t I got back sometimes was unbelieveable... I ended up asking the mods to delete the whole thread for me.