Early-retirement wannabe

bigadaj

It's all very well saying older people aren't ideal or potentially best in the roles listed but evidence suggests that they frequently dominate.

The average age of a farmer is 59 which given the age range suggests that a majority are in their sixties and many in their seventies.

Similarly many elderly security guards even though they may not be a deterrent it's a human presence that is key, they're not meant to be apprehending armed miscreants after all.

Few jobs in heavy industry are now manual, far more efficient to use machinery, the days of thousands of hand riveters in glasgow shipyards are long gone.

Much the same applies to the other examples and after all benefits are being reduced so people will have to continue working if they haven't made provision, debt levels are still high and the economic recovery isn't knocking the lights out, and people don't like paying tax. Only answer is for state and private pension age to increase and people to work longer even if this mat be less efficient or in new areas to them.

gadgetmind

Financial_Saddler wrote: »

almost without exception, the scenario involved "urgent" deadline requirements with a notable absence of appropriate resources.

Those are the situations that separate those who can walk the walk from those who just talk the talk.

The talkers will spend their entire "careers" at the bottom of the hierarchy because they can't think on their feet and solve the kind of problems that managing a modern business in a competitive environment throws at you on a regular basis no matter how well run it is.

Of course, those who are sure they could run a multinational company in a rapidly-changing field such as technology without the odd "crisis du jour" are entirely free to prove this by actually doing it.

Talk is cheap.

gallygirl

Financial_Saddler wrote: »

The culture of some businesses is absurd, and is virtually guaranteed to lead to health issues ( physical or mental ) at some stage. My son applied for an internship with EY. He was given a multiple choice questionaire asking for his reaction to certain work situations - almost without exception, the scenario involved "urgent" deadline requirements with a notable absence of appropriate resources. My son's reaction was : is this company really so badly managed? Smart guy!

I know EY. The answer to his question is "yes" :rotfl:.

gadgetmind

kangoora wrote: »

I think there will be tens, if not hundred's of thousands who end up on some form of disability benefit or government sponsored early retirement between 60-70 years of age

You might be right, and I'm sure that some of them really won't be well enough to continue in their original trade, but I'm equally sure that nearly all of them could be working if they needed to.

chucknorris

Marine_life wrote: »

So for governments to be pushing people to retire at 67 and beyond is beyond belief - what sort of quality of retirement can people expect?

My state pension age is 66, certainly from an economic stance I expect the quality of life that I have planned for.

From a health perspective, again I hope that my planning works out and that being active (cycling, running, swimming and walking) will give me a long healthy life. I have always had a fairly healthy diet (I have always exceeded the '5 a day' on average, I tend not to eat junk food, not too much processed food) and recently I have cut my alcohol consumption to below 21 units per week.

silverwhistle

Interesting discussion. I'm sort of retired in that I'm receiving a small FS pension but have 7 years to go to state retirement. I work when I can, but haven't for a year since I moved back from abroad. My pension comes from 25 years in a large company after which I did some training to teach English as a foreign language, which is neither well-paid work or regular. Fortunately I've a full time job for the summer, but there is no way I could maintain the level of contact hours over a year. Teaching is far more tiring than large company IT, and it has its full range of bureaucratic impositions, although ultimately I find it more interesting. I could do it part-time until quite old, but it's the rare teacher in state schools that could put up with Michael Gove until 66.

gadgetmind

silverwhistle wrote: »

it's the rare teacher in state schools that could put up with Michael Gove until 66.

Someone from our company went into semi-retirement a couple of years ago by leaving to be a full-time maths teacher!

I'll have to check how he's getting on!

silverwhistle

Masochist! Just don't ask him his opinion on Pob..

I should add to my above post that I have other resources, but the £2k+ p.a. share dividends I've just been rolling up for years. Fortunately I don't have any unrealistic expectations as I never reached higher rate tax, run cheap cars, sail OPBs and take a very functional approach to kitchens and furniture! I've also taken steps to keep my costs down, and with 4kw of solar panels on the roof at least power bills aren't a worry and they also yield a small income.

Financial_Saddler

gadgetmind wrote: »

Those are the situations that separate those who can walk the walk from those who just talk the talk.

The talkers will spend their entire "careers" at the bottom of the hierarchy because they can't think on their feet and solve the kind of problems that managing a modern business in a competitive environment throws at you on a regular basis no matter how well run it is.

Of course, those who are sure they could run a multinational company in a rapidly-changing field such as technology without the odd "crisis du jour" are entirely free to prove this by actually doing it.

Talk is cheap.

I think we're in severe danger of veering completely off-topic and, perhaps more worryingly, bumping up the cliche count into the stratosphere!

atush

If cliches come with common sense like Gadget gives, I don't mind a cliche or two.

And ti wasn't him who took the topic off course