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Mortgage Payments after Death

Two brothers (neither married and no kids) buy a property and equally pay the mortgage payments (£275K mortgage on £425k property). Both mum and dad are still alive and kicking. One of the brothers dies without a will and without any life insurance. What happens to the house and the mortgage payments in this situation?
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  • julie2710
    julie2710 Posts: 1,381 Forumite
    Is the mortgage not insured? That would/could potentially cover the entire mortgage.
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  • RedSoleShoes
    RedSoleShoes Posts: 456 Forumite
    edited 2 November 2010 at 8:35AM
    julie2710 wrote: »
    Is the mortgage not insured? That would/could potentially cover the entire mortgage.

    It will be, when they get the application sorted. Just wondered what would be the outcome should one of them die before it was all sorted in that respect.
  • julie2710
    julie2710 Posts: 1,381 Forumite
    If they are on a joint mortgage then each will be jointly and solely liable for the whole mortgage - therefore the surviving brother would have to find the deceased brother's portion of the mortgage.
    MBNA [STRIKE]£2,029[/STRIKE] £1,145 Virgin [STRIKE]£8,712[/STRIKE] £7,957 Sainsbury [STRIKE]£6,870[/STRIKE] £5,575 M&S [STRIKE]£10,016[/STRIKE] £9,690 Barclaycard [STRIKE]£11,951[/STRIKE] £11,628 CTC [STRIKE]£7,629[/STRIKE] £6,789 Mortgage £[STRIKE]182,828[/STRIKE] £171,670
    LBM Dec12 excl mort 47,207/42,784 Dec13
    Excl mortg and CTC 39,578/35,995 Dec13
    Incl mortg 230,035/214,454 Dec13

    Extra payment a week:this week £0 / YTD£1,457.55
  • RedSoleShoes
    RedSoleShoes Posts: 456 Forumite
    edited 1 November 2010 at 10:02PM
    Ok, so the deceased brother's half of the house would not go to the parents then? I know parents are beneficiaries from their children's estates if there are no spouses or children involved so would they not get his half and be liable for the mortgage payments, or would it go to the surviving brother because he is the legal owner of the other half?
  • GMS
    GMS Posts: 5,388 Forumite
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    Ok, so the deceased brother's half of the house would not go to the parents then? I know parents are beneficiaries from their children's estates if there are no spouses or children involved so would they not get his half and be liable for the mortgage payments, or would it go to the surviving brother because he is the legal owner of the other half?

    It depends on what basis the mortgage was set up.

    If it was 'join tenency' the surviving brother will automatically inherit the other half.

    If it was 'tenancy in common' the share will have been determined and will pass to the estate.
    I am a Mortgage Adviser
    You should note that this site doesn't check my status as a mortgage adviser, so you need to take my word for it. This signature is here as I follow MSE's Mortgage Adviser Code of Conduct. Any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as financial advice.
  • So, if it ended up that the half went to the parents instead, I presume they are then liable for the mortgage payments and therefore, if they didn't pay, that half would revert to the lender's possession?
  • GMS
    GMS Posts: 5,388 Forumite
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    A lender cannot repossess half a property. If the mortgage was not paid the lender could appply to take possession.

    Mortgage holders are jointly liable for the debt.

    This thread highlights the importance of life insurance and estate planning. A property is an important ourchase and needs to be treated accordingly.

    It is amazing how many people feel the need to insure their mobile phones but do not see the need to insure their lives.
    I am a Mortgage Adviser
    You should note that this site doesn't check my status as a mortgage adviser, so you need to take my word for it. This signature is here as I follow MSE's Mortgage Adviser Code of Conduct. Any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as financial advice.
  • Just to add some further info, they are FTB and went through a mortgage advisor. Along the way, it seems this 'adviser' has not actually advised them properly, hence the situation they are in now. Obviously they realise that they have to take responsibility for decisions they make but it's a shame that we cannot trust a professional these days. They have no problem taking out insurance, this thread was merely to find out what would happen in the situation described.

    Thanks for all the replies :-)
  • GMS
    GMS Posts: 5,388 Forumite
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    Did the adviser recommend Life Insurance?

    Suitability Letters often mention the need to arrange this.

    Life Insurance is relatively easy to arrange, but if done by the applicant direct it is important to make sure the correct cover is arranged.

    If they are unsure they can speak to a Mortgage Broker of IFA to arrange it for them.
    I am a Mortgage Adviser
    You should note that this site doesn't check my status as a mortgage adviser, so you need to take my word for it. This signature is here as I follow MSE's Mortgage Adviser Code of Conduct. Any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as financial advice.
  • dunstonh
    dunstonh Posts: 120,424 Forumite
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    So, if it ended up that the half went to the parents instead, I presume they are then liable for the mortgage payments and therefore, if they didn't pay, that half would revert to the lender's possession?


    No. They end up owning half the property whilst the other person has sole responsibility for the mortgage.
    Just to add some further info, they are FTB and went through a mortgage advisor. Along the way, it seems this 'adviser' has not actually advised them properly, hence the situation they are in now. Obviously they realise that they have to take responsibility for decisions they make but it's a shame that we cannot trust a professional these days. They have no problem taking out insurance, this thread was merely to find out what would happen in the situation described.

    To be honest, I have never known a mortgage adviser not recommend life assurance when it is required. However, the borrowers are free to say no to it.
    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
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