NRP Partners wages and CSA Snooping into their figures

ScotNess_2

So am I correct then that the CSA can't check up on the details a NRP Partner gives regarding their salary as they are not the the NRP and aren't responsible in any way for the child(ren) in question.

So the CSA have no rights to check the figures given on wage slips from a NRP Partner with the Inland Revenue or any other government body.

So technically if the NRP's Partner is FORCED to give in and give their details to make sure they don't get stung for an excess maintenance assessment or if the PWC demands a departure to take into account the income of the partner, the partner could arrange a flexible working arrangement with their boss so the partner could work a few weeks on really basic part-time hours or take some unpaid time off to reduce the amount shown on their weekly wage slips and give these payslips in and then increase their hours again to catch up with their salary once the wage slips have been given in, and the CSA would have no legal right to check these figures against any Official Body to see if they match previous figures?


Also do the CSA also definitely have NO rights to snoop into the bank account details of the partner?

What happens if the NRP Partner then adds their name onto the NRP's Current Bank Account to make it a joint account, am I correct in saying that the CSA can not then have any powers to snoop into the goings on of the bank account without the NRP's consent.

And what would happen if they wanted to access the bank account details and the NRP refused to allow access as it was a joint account with their partner?



Thanks in anticipation of your replies.

kelloggs36

The assessment won't rise if you give the details, it can only fall (if anything). What you want is to manipulate the system to suit yourself?

Kimitatsu

If the bank account is in both names they can access it but can only use amounts paid to the NRP, unless you are applying for a variation and want to show that the NRP is diverting income to his partner in order to reduce his laibility.

Then the CSA need no permission to look into both accounts, however this is usually only if the NRP is self employed and is diverting income through the business to the partner.

You could however ask the CSA to base the maintenance figure on the previous years salary via the P60 or take an average figure over the year so far. They would have to back up the claim that they are getting less money with a letter from the company explaining why they were not earning as much - but if they chose to work fewer hours nothing you can do about it I am afraid.

Unfortunately, as with most issues with the CSA you need to take a deep breath and play the long game. Let him do his silly bit and piece and ask for a reassessment in 6 months time, based on the fact you have given that he is trying to avoid a true assessment.

speedster

firstly, they cannot FORCE the nrpp's details. you have every right to tell them to f00k off. but if they have your details they will snopp all they like.

secondly. joint accounts are fair game for them now. best keep separate accounts if they are on the hunt as they cant touch yours then.

bdt1

secondly. joint accounts are fair game for them now. best keep separate accounts if they are on the hunt as they cant touch yours then.[/QUOTE]

Is this correct?? Kimatsu seems to think that if there's a whiff of 'money laundering' then the CSA can access NRPP sole accounts!

Just we know how CSA make allegations willy nilly, does that mean that all S/E NRP with a working NRPP, will now be deemed as money laundering (or suspected of same, so they can snoop) ??? If it is true they can look at NRPP bank accounts without any consent

JulietAmber_2

As far as I know - only accounts in NRP's name or joint name can be accessed - and NRPP has to be informed of the CSA's intention and must be given a chance to respond before a deduction is enforced from a joint account (from their website somewhere).
Not every self employed NRP is money laundering and not every NRPP would be prepared to go along with that. It would be unfair to assume that. The self employed NRP can always draw out cash and stash it - or take cash for jobs. That is the norm and good luck to them - it's hard being self employed - no holidays, sick pay or bonus.
If the CSA asked for my bank accounts for money laundering (I'm a NRPP) I would decline. I would let them take me to court and when they saw my bank account and realised that actually, I'm a law abiding citizen and have done nothing of the sort - I would sue the !!!! off them for the upset and emotional trauma they have caused me and my family.
As speedster says - single accounts are the best bet.

Kimitatsu

bdt1 wrote: »

secondly. joint accounts are fair game for them now. best keep separate accounts if they are on the hunt as they cant touch yours then.

Is this correct?? Kimatsu seems to think that if there's a whiff of 'money laundering' then the CSA can access NRPP sole accounts!

Just we know how CSA make allegations willy nilly, does that mean that all S/E NRP with a working NRPP, will now be deemed as money laundering (or suspected of same, so they can snoop) ??? If it is true they can look at NRPP bank accounts without any consent[/QUOTE]

Well the way it was explained to me was that if the NRP is SE and is paying his partner the large dividend whilst claiming a pittance then it is diversion of income so the forensic accountants can do what they please.

Bear in mind they have massive sweeping powers and that if you can show just cause (like in my case 2 houses, 2 new cars, holidays three times a year all on 5k) then they can investigate.

You do have to have just cause though before everyone panics!

speedster

if i recall, they requested that power but got told "NO WAY"

same as in house LO's. the lords threw it out because of their appalling abuse of the powers they already have.

plus there's the good old HRA. the csa skirt it, but as soon as they start hounding partners then HRA section 6 (i think) comes into play under "the right to life" etc.

bdt1

Ok.............Thanks for replies, just I'm NRPP,(and PWC) married to a NRP. We have been through mill with NRP PWC, won 2 Tribunals to date and had to get injunction against her, she thinks I'm married to Richard Branson, in truth we been lucky to keep our home due to recession, and (charges prove it) also we have separate bank accounts as he is in IVA (to prevent bankruptcy and so protect our family home - 4 children in it).

Thing is our PWC will say anything and if CSA can investigate my account, nothing to hide as all accounted for, just, yet another hurdle/injustice as they incorrrectly calculate assessments/arrears then get bailiffs to your home, LO, CCJ and charges on your home, for debts which are not/never owed - just our recent experience

gratefulforhelp_2

Kimitatsu wrote: »

Unfortunately, as with most issues with the CSA you need to take a deep breath and play the long game. Let him do his silly bit and piece and ask for a reassessment in 6 months time, based on the fact you have given that he is trying to avoid a true assessment.

I thought you could only request a reassessment every 2 years?

kelloggs36

No, it can be requested as often as you like.