What cuts are you prepared to personally suffer to repay the deficit?

Alan_Cross

The cuts agenda is, the Tories would have us believe, the only route.

This is transparently false to anyone who has two braincells to rub together.

There is a gap to close but this can be done also by raising revenue, mainly through taxation. It does not have to be so heavily weighted towards cutting services and endangering the social fabric. At least, for any government which did not have a 'reduce the state' agenda, it would not.

Do not swallow these Tory 'all-in-it-together' platitudes. They are patently false. The bankers caused this situation and I am sure they are rubbing their hands with glee to see such titles being given to blind-alley threads like these.

FATBALLZ

Alan_Cross wrote: »

The cuts agenda is, the Tories would have us believe, the only route.

This is transparently false to anyone who has two braincells to rub together.

There is a gap to close but this can be done also by raising revenue, mainly through taxation. It does not have to be so heavily weighted towards cutting services and endangering the social fabric. At least, for any government which did not have a 'reduce the state' agenda, it would not.

Do not swallow these Tory 'all-in-it-together' platitudes. They are patently false. The bankers caused this situation and I am sure they are rubbing their hands with glee to see such titles being given to blind-alley threads like these.

:rotfl: You hate the Tories and bankers, I think we understood you the first time.

Heyman_2

carolt wrote: »

Oh no it isn't - see recent reply to Olly.

It is irrelevant as I receive it and I said I would be willing to give it up. But that position doesn't fit in with your 'everyone's a hypocrite' agenda so you've chosen to try and ignore that fact.

I think your OP is more about realising you've inadvertantly given away more facts about your personal life which people are now using as a stick to beat you with. So you're subtly trying to do likewise with other users. Clever girl.

As to your other points if I could be bothered I could search your post history to show that you're rewritten history but you'll tell me I'm a stalker with too much time on my hands.

So that's enough of the carolt show for me today.

Alan_Cross

FATBALLZ wrote: »

:rotfl: You hate the Tories and bankers, I think we understood you the first time.

No, I love Tories and bankers - in the normal course of events, without them the world would be deprived of 90% of the laughs it gets. Don't get me wrong.

However, since both have now decided to move from the realms of Normanwisdomery into that of direct attack upon the lives of ordinary people, it is time to point out their culpability.

bendix

carolt wrote: »

All fair points - but you cannot call me greedy and selfish for not wanting to give up cash without being prepared to give up cah yourself.

I take it you have no plans to draw down your state pension when it is due, and plan to repay the full costs of all your education, binmen and all other council cleaning services, roadworks, etc etc plus the child benefit your mother received for you?

If not, then you have/will benefit from public money whether you admit it or not.

So cough up.

Sadly, you're replied to my reasonable post unreasonably, carolt, but I suppose I should accept that. You currently have the demeanor of a wounded animal backed into a corner.

So let me explain further. Yes, I am prepared to give up cash, and am doing so. I am paying extra taxes and am would be fine paying more if the government in its wisdom changes the higher rate threshold again. How more explicit can I be.

I also mentioned that i have received no direct state benefits since leaving university. I don't think I can be held accountable for those claimed by my parents. If you want to quibble though, I estimate I have repaid those 200-fold over the course of my working life.

Can I continue to repay them? Sure, and I am, through my tax bills which, i have said, I would pay if it was increased.

As for police, roads etc? That's a fatuous answer which I think I covered off in my original post.

And - yes - I can confirm I have absolutely no plans to draw down my state pension when it becomes do. Don't need it, don't want it, and to take it would be gross hypocrisy.

A._Badger

Alan_Cross wrote: »

No, I love Tories and bankers - in the normal course of events, without them the world would be deprived of 90% of the laughs it gets. Don't get me wrong.

However, since both have now decided to move from the realms of Normanwisdomery into that of direct attack upon the lives of ordinary people, it is time to point out their culpability.

Strange... I seem to remember some lugubrious Scotsman having been in charge of the economy for the past decade or so.

Batchy

I think cut everything by 25% and increase spending on POLICE cut the red tape and let them POLICE.
You cannot automate the police service.

When you have law and order you have all you need as a government.

People will understand the cuts, they may not like them.

The golden government pensions need to be average salary of service. Not final salary. There are too many black holes with this method.

Accrued benefits should not be amended but all contracts going forward should be amended accross the board.

Also, stop allowing people to just live on benefits, its not meant to be an option, its mean to be a last resort. People should not be rewarded for having kids on benefits. its crazy the more kids you have the more benefits you get, who ever thought of this crap!

People should pay a 25 excess to go and see the doctor to free up there time.

Private people have to ... so should the health service.

Too many people going with a cold

Hospitals, you should not get any free medical care for first 5 years of citizenship, stop people coming over getting married and abusing the system from 3rd world countries and milking it for all its worth.

Abolish road tax, and put it on fuel instead.

give people tax breaks for not having a car, let them buy a cheap bike with tax savings, come on, there is so much more that can be done.

Alan_Cross

bendix wrote: »

Sadly, you're replied to my reasonable post unreasonably, carolt, but I suppose I should accept that. You currently have the demeanor of a wounded animal backed into a corner.

So let me explain further. Yes, I am prepared to give up cash, and am doing so. I am paying extra taxes and am would be fine paying more if the government in its wisdom changes the higher rate threshold again. How more explicit can I be.

I also mentioned that i have received no direct state benefits since leaving university. I don't think I can be held accountable for those claimed by my parents. If you want to quibble though, I estimate I have repaid those 200-fold over the course of my working life.

Can I continue to repay them? Sure, and I am, through my tax bills which, i have said, I would pay if it was increased.

As for police, roads etc? That's a fatuous answer which I think I covered off in my original post.

And - yes - I can confirm I have absolutely no plans to draw down my state pension when it becomes do. Don't need it, don't want it, and to take it would be gross hypocrisy.

Yes, right.

'No plans' to do X or Y.

Does that remind anyone of certain election pledges made in recent times and highlighted yesterday..?

Alan_Cross

A._Badger wrote: »

Strange... I seem to remember some lugubrious Scotsman having been in charge of the economy for the past decade or so.

Your memory is false, deliberately or otherwise.

The bankers took over responsibility for the economy sometime in 2007.

carolt

Heyman wrote: »

It is irrelevant as I receive it and I said I would be willing to give it up. But that position doesn't fit in with your 'everyone's a hypocrite' agenda so you've chosen to try and ignore that fact.

I think your OP is more about realising you've inadvertantly given away more facts about your personal life which people are now using as a stick to beat you with. So you're subtly trying to do likewise with other users. Clever girl.

As to your other points if I could be bothered I could search your post history to show that you're rewritten history but you'll tell me I'm a stalker with too much time on my hands.

So that's enough of the carolt show for me today.

Rewritten history?

Eh?
No - why would I bother.

Not given away any facts that I hadn't 'given away' before.

I do use myself as an example, because I'm the best one I know - if people choose to use that as 'a stick to beat me with' that's their problem not mine.

So you're giving up £1200. And are happy with that. Good.

A lot less than I'm losing,,but still, a considerable sacrifice.

Or is it?

How much do you earn? Will this loss of £1200 require the same level of sacrifice that the loss of £2500 will cause me?

If you can easily 'afford it' (as I could the child tax credit, say), then it's not really equivalent, is it.