Child benefit to be scrapped for higher rate tax payers from 2013

bendix

StevieJ wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous, it is called optimising your income, I would call anybody turning it down.

Then we obviously have very different standards of self-worth, don't we?

You think it's ok to take money from taxpayers in the form of handouts and feel no moral compunction about that. I don't.

I don't need charity from anyone, particularly the state. I'll rely on my own ability to support myself and my loved ones; if you feel inclined to get a legup from the anonymous taxpayer, good for you.

StevieJ

bendix wrote: »

Then we obviously have very different standards of self-worth, don't we?

You think it's ok to take money from taxpayers in the form of handouts and feel no moral compunction about that. I don't.

I don't need charity from anyone, particularly the state. I'll rely on my own ability to support myself and my loved ones; if you feel inclined to get a legup from the anonymous taxpayer, good for you.

I think your views result more from childhood hangups than the real world.

bendix

StevieJ wrote: »

I think your views result more from childhood hangups than the real world.

Thanks Dr Freud.

Hang up is such a negatively charged word, though. I prefer to think of my life experiences as empowering, enabling and driving me to independence.

I don't apologise for that. On the contrary; it's a philosophy I'm proud of.

If others are happy to accept benefits (another negatively charged word which, sadly for British society, is no longer negative), I think that says more about them and the prevailing culture of entitlement, than it does about me.

silvercar

You can't turn some benefits down easily. Pensioners can't refuse the winter fuel allowance without it affecting their pension. Similarly the child benefit triggers HRP for your NI record and access to maintenance payments for the split families; I think it is also connected in some way to nursery places. So you can take the money and give it to charity if you wish, but you can't just turn it down.

MGCP

RenovationMan wrote: »

Can I field this one?

The difference would be that the examples you supplied are ways to reduce the amount of tax you pay from your own income. A pension rebate is just your own tax money returned. Benefits such as Child Benefit is taken from other peoples income. A case of the many supporting the few.

Hi RenovationMan.

This seems like rather a semantic argument to me. I contribute over £20k a year to the government from income tax and national insurance. If the Government then said that it wanted to give me just over £1,000 p/a for contributing one taxpaying unit (or a "baby") to the next generation, then I would see that as a rebate that slightly reduces my overall contribution to UK ltd (just as the other rebates for pensions and ISA's do). The effect on the total tax take is the same.

I still don't see the qualitative difference?

StevieJ

RenovationMan wrote: »

Can I field this one?

The difference would be that the examples you supplied are ways to reduce the amount of tax you pay from your own income. A pension rebate is just your own tax money returned. Benefits such as Child Benefit is taken from other peoples income. A case of the many supporting the few.

I prefer the simple phrase 'is it legal' if everyone paid the tax that was due and only claimed the benefits they were ENTITLED to I am sure that deficit would be a whole lot lower, maybe even surplus

LilacPixie

silvercar wrote: »

You can't turn some benefits down easily. Pensioners can't refuse the winter fuel allowance without it affecting their pension. Similarly the child benefit triggers HRP for your NI record and access to maintenance payments for the split families; I think it is also connected in some way to nursery places. So you can take the money and give it to charity if you wish, but you can't just turn it down.

We certainly needed our's well oh's for registering DD1 with the 15 hour funded preschool places. I think i needed it for switching GP too but memory a bit fuzzy.

As lir pointed out yesterday that will have to change as childbenefit will no longer be universal.

Really2

LilacPixie wrote: »

We certainly needed our's well oh's for registering DD1 with the 15 hour funded preschool places.

Ours do it on Birth certificate anyway. That is universal and requires no extra work to provide.

Really2

Is it me is the board a bit spikey this week?

lostinrates

Really2 wrote: »

Is it me is the board a bit spikey this week?

I was wondering if it were me....maybe its worse, maybe its my influence!:eek: