Need some help please!

joeblack066

In 04/05, 05/06 and 06/07, I was registered as s/e, but received no S/E income, as was full time PAYE.

HMRC have decided that I owe them tax on s/e income for these years as my paper based self assessments have somehow not been appplied to my account(?).

I have made payments towards this bill of £2, 700 as to not pay the taxman worries me, and have spent weeks trying to sort this out. Eventually they have told me that I need to complete a full tax return for each year, plus a self employed supplement, plus an employed supplement. Does this sound right? It will be difficult to do the Employed one after all this time, especially as one Company has since gone bust! Do HMRC not have all these records from my PAYE anyway?
Anyone got any advice? Thx!

Mikeyorks

First check that the SA reference you were using (10 numerics + 'K') for your Returns is the same as the one HMRC claim has no data for those years filed against it. It wouldn't be the first duplicate SA reference.

That to one side ..... then surely submission of 'duplicate' (no copy kept?) Returns will leave you overpaid - so well worth doing?

Eventually they have told me that I need to complete a full tax return for each year, plus a self employed supplement, plus an employed supplement. Does this sound right?

100% right. If you've already submitted Returns for those 3 years - that's surely the data you submitted (£zero self-employed + P60 data + any gross interest)? So they're just asking for duplicates to resolve the problem.

If you're use to SA record keeping - surely you've kept P60's for your employed years? Say - 'of course' - and there's no problem other than the irritation of doing it?;)

joeblack066

Doh!! Never thought about the P60's! Thx :-)

joeblack066

Hi again all!

Well got all the tax returns, and employed S/E supplements done, (I had 11 different PAYE's in the 3 relevant years! Phew!) and sent them off Special delivery 2 weeks ago. Yay! Now, does anyone know how long HMRC take to process backdated paper based assessment forms?! Thx :-)

Mikeyorks

joeblack066 wrote: »

Now, does anyone know how long HMRC take to process backdated paper based assessment forms?! Thx :-)

Well done.

The only answer I can give re the timeframe is 'not quickly'?

joeblack066

Mikeyorks wrote: »

Well done.

The only answer I can give re the timeframe is 'not quickly'?

This made me smile! Thanks Mike :-D

Elaine_Wilson

Some of the comments made on these and other boards might lead me to believe that Mikeyorks is being a tad optimistic.

joeblack066

Just to update, I called HMRC and they have said that the returns will all be processed by 12/11/10. Am I right to presume that any rebates due from a paper based return will be dealt with via mail rather than online? :-)

suso

joeblack066 wrote: »

Just to update, I called HMRC and they have said that the returns will all be processed by 12/11/10. Am I right to presume that any rebates due from a paper based return will be dealt with via mail rather than online? :-)

any rebates due will be paid by whichever method you filled in on the returns. Did you put bank details on there?

However you say you have already paid tax, was this a determination raised by HMRC, if so then for returns outside of the time scale then they have two option open to them.

option 1, if the the determination is higher than the tax due for the year, HMRC may disregard the return, as being out of time.

option 2, if the determination is lower than the amount of tax due, HMRC will use the return figure and recalculate the tax due.

Yes its unfair, but 4 years to complete a return is ample time in their view, and if no earlier years returns have been received by them then they will have raised determinations by now.

joeblack066

I had done them previously, and was told that they hadn't been 'applied' to my account, hence doing them again. I think one of the years has a determination against it, and one an estimation, but I did no s/e work in either of these years. I have paid £1800 for these two years, am I really at serious risk of not getting this back? Thx, knowledge much appreciated!