Can a new employer find out about previous salary?

hollydays

I would be furious if I found my salary had been revealed to anyone outside the company.Employers ask you this so they can pay you the minimum, practice avoiding answering the question next time,and field it back to them.

DVardysShadow

cazziebo wrote: »

This isn't about value or worth, it's about integrity.

What if the OP had lied about qualifications, experience, responsibility? It's still dishonest.

To lie about qualifications, experience, responsibility is dishonest. Leave out the word 'still'. It is dishonest because these are 'material' issues, which are genuinely relevant to the capabilities of the employee.

Sticking with the loaf of bread issue, the material issues are 'What materials did you use? What was the process by which you made the bread?' If the shop tells a porky about these and you buy, it is reasonable to be upset if you find out that it is not the case.

But if you find out that the last customer paid 14p less for the loaf than the shop said they did, have you really been ripped off?

hollydays

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Sambucus_Nigra

hollydays wrote: »

I would be furious if I found my salary had been revealed to anyone outside the company.Employers ask you this so they can pay you the minimum, practice avoiding answering the question next time,and field it back to them.

Employers don't have to actually reveal things explicitly to inform...

For example

We are just doing a few checks, were they with you from xdate to ydate
yes

and were they employed as z technician during that time
yes

And was their salary £35,000
Erm, what - I thought you said £35,000

I did

Aah, I can't comment

More

no, not more

Are we talking £30,000
*cough
Oh, so less, what about £25,000
*cough
Ok, what about £20,000
Oh no, higher than that

Aah, so about £21,000
that sounds about right....

We once had a 'manager' in the loosest sense of the word that my boss hired [we had no idea why, but there you go]....who was found to be fiddling expenses from day 1 and getting up to all sorts. When I told him to call his last employer, he did so - and once the ex employer had stopped laughing, he asked - 'no seriously, you haven't REALLY hired him have you?'....finally my boss got the message and got rid.

There's alot that can be said when nothing has actually been revealed if you get my drift.

SevenOfNine

Tinuel wrote: »

Why? Because one wants to improve his salary for his and his family sake? Because one wanted to avoid a scaled down salary?

Wow, let me know when you come down from your never told a lie high horse...

.........because he/she is going to work in a BANK and could be discovered to be a liar.

Not that I think this bank is going to be so observant that they'll discover this lie and sack the OP. Personally, I'd hand in the P45 and just wait and see, I think it's highly unlikely they'll cross reference it with notes taken at the interview (but there's always a slim chance).

I don't blame the OP for wanting to make sure they didn't offer a lower salary based on what OP was currently on - not fair. Why should the OP end up starting on less money than any other new starter doing the same job, just because the others may have been paid more in their PREVIOUS job/s.

Having said that, if OP gets 'found out' and offer withdrawn (or sacked), I don't think I'd be able to muster up too much sympathy. Let's hope that doesn't happen and lesson learnt.

wuckfit

Wonderful.
another "I lied at interview to get the job" thread.

DVardysShadow

wuckfit wrote: »

Wonderful.
another "I lied at interview to get the job" thread.

Actually, by exaggerating salary, you are more likely to price yourself out of the job.

Tinuel

Hi all,
Ok, just to give you an update. I managed to turn things around on the HR interview (with the person who interviewed initially also present) before signing on the dotted line.
I wasn't asked to confirm current salary, however I brought it up and told them that I needed to clarify that the figure I previously mentioned, included shares, benefits and pension payments. I did not disclose what my basic salary was.


They were not too bothered about it, but today they did a cheeky move. They offered me 8.5k less than what I was told at the interview.
This is all as a result of my basic not being as high as firstly mentioned.
In the industry I work in, people assume that a poor salary reflects:

- A junior position
- Someone not very good at what he does

So, now I need to convince them I am worth what they wanted to pay me in the first place.

bevvy

Oh well, never mind :rotfl:
You're still getting 5.5k more than your previous job.

Wellery82

Tinuel wrote: »

Hi all,
Ok, just to give you an update. I managed to turn things around on the HR interview (with the person who interviewed initially also present) before signing on the dotted line.
I wasn't asked to confirm current salary, however I brought it up and told them that I needed to clarify that the figure I previously mentioned, included shares, benefits and pension payments. I did not disclose what my basic salary was.


They were not too bothered about it, but today they did a cheeky move. They offered me 8.5k less than what I was told at the interview.
This is all as a result of my basic not being as high as firstly mentioned.
In the industry I work in, people assume that a poor salary reflects:

- A junior position
- Someone not very good at what he does

So, now I need to convince them I am worth what they wanted to pay me in the first place.

Personally i'd say i was concerned about the drop in salary as you feel it isn't commesurate to the value that you would add in the position and the value they previoyusly felt you would add to it. I would ask them honestly how they feel your basic salary in a previous job affects their expectations of what you will contribute for them. Basically try and make it around what you will do in the role, not your actual worth on the market to competitors

Good luck by the way, i don't see the problem with lying about it at all. All this stuff aboout honesty and integrity is rubbish in my opinion, its hardly a reflection of your true character what you say to increase your salary to a company, knowing full well every company will screw you over for every penny they can get in profit