Unions - Worth joining?

Jeff_Bridges_hair

peigi wrote: »

Nethe had I untill recently and found it totally discriminatory towards people with a disabiliy. And it is a very large organisation as well, union knows about but choose to ignore do nothing as it is too difficult for the rep to deal with as it is a large organisation. :eek:

If you dont want to air it in public then PM me and i will endeavour to help you as best as i can..As now i can see what the problem may be

And please, In future on here as well in life try not to be so confrontational towards others and you may find that they are more then willing to help you out.

courtesy goes a long long way in life as well as in the workplace.

jem16

peigi wrote: »

Nethe had I untill recently and found it totally discriminatory towards people with a disabiliy. And it is a very large organisation as well, union knows about but choose to ignore do nothing as it is too difficult for the rep to deal with as it is a large organisation. :eek:

Peigi,

I'd like to ask and I stress I'm not getting at you.

SarEl, a barrister specialising in employment law, has said that you don't have a case ( having read the 3 pages you sent her by pm) and have completely misunderstood the terms of the DDA.

From the Consumer Action Group forums I have read that your union rep feels that there is no case to answer and has actually helped you by getting an absence removed from your record yet you feel they have been useless. I also see that you have taken the matter to an offical grievance (more than once) and it has not been upheld. Most of this has occurred because of an injury to your knee around 2.5 years ago which was outwith company hours. Over those 2 years you have had numerous complaints about your employers, ranging from time off for dental appointments, funeral arrangements, compassionate leave beilng less than what you wanted, age discrimination and DDA discrimination.

Despite all of this you still feel you have a case and that your employers are discriminating against you - why? I really would like to understand.

eamon

Small terrier with a bone springs to mind!

jem16

peigi wrote: »

Where did you find that, can we have the link please. :A

So no answer to my question?

EDIT : It appears that peigi has deleted her post (yet again) quoted in my reply. She has also deleted all her posts on this thread.

Savvy_Sue

elsien wrote: »

So I'd say yes go ahead and join, but make sure you choose one that actually acknowedges your existence.

There is a union finder. You might find there's a better one for you. Although I know how you feel: recently joined the union because life was getting 'interesting' at work, and most of the mailings are about cuts in the public sector, where I'm not!

Let's not discount some of the other 'perks' of union membership: I had a very useful - free - phone conversation about matters arising from my father's will. I'm not sure the person concerned was highly qualified, BUT from my personal research I believe the advice was correct. I couldn't just rely on my personal research because I'm a joint executor and the other one likes to be certain about these things: they're happy now I've taken advice from a legal professional ...

ceridwen

jem16 wrote: »

Peigi,

I'd like to ask and I stress I'm not getting at you.

Your union rep feels that there is no case to answer and has actually helped you by getting an absence removed from your record yet you feel they have been useless. SarEl, a barrister specialising in employment law, has said that you don't have a case ( having read the 3 pages you sent her by pm) and have completely misunderstood the terms of the DDA. You have taken the matter to an offical grievance (more than once) and it has not been upheld. Most of this has occurred because of an injury to your knee around 2.5 years ago which was outwith company hours. Over those 2 years you have had numerous complaints about your employers, ranging from time off for dental appointments, funeral arrangements, compassionate leave beilng less than what you wanted, age discrimination and DDA discrimination.

Despite all of this you still feel you have a case and that your employers are discriminating against you - why? I really would like to understand.

Perhaps you can clarify on the above post. From the way you phrased it - it sounds like another poster (in this case SarEl) has forwarded on a private PM to you.

Can you clarify on that point? - as the MSE ethos (and I expect the rules back it up) state that PMs are "private" - so I'm a bit confused as to what has happened at that point.....

SarEl

ceridwen wrote: »

Perhaps you can clarify on the above post. From the way you phrased it - it sounds like another poster (in this case SarEl) has forwarded on a private PM to you.

Can you clarify on that point? - as the MSE ethos (and I expect the rules back it up) state that PMs are "private" - so I'm a bit confused as to what has happened at that point.....

I most certainly did not. Peigi has deleted her posts, but the point made here is reference to a mention made by me in one of the threads that Peigi had sent me a 3 page PM and that I didn't see she had a case and nothing else. And this was in response to comments made by Peigi.

However, unless she has been deleting threads elsewhere too, the entire story, which is from 2 and a half years ago (something I did not know until CAG users found the threads dating back to then - the OP did not disclsoe this to me or I qwould have told her she was out of time even if she had a case), is littered across the CAG site, where multiple users have been reading back the "history" now that they have realised that the OP was playing one board off against another. The detailed information quoted by Jem16 was obtained from CAG, and not from me. In fact, Peigi claimed to me that she was being discriminated against due to a disability (I have diclosed nothing in that statement she has not said on this site) and I was not aware that the "disability" was a knee injury until I read it myself on the CAG site.

I have not disclosed anything which has been PM'd to me from this user or from any other. I would not do so. And I would have preferred not to have such an allegation made in a public forum without any opportunity to defend myself. A PM would have sufficed to clarify this.

ceridwen

Thank you for that.

The previous post (by another user) was not phrased very clearly - hence my asking for clarification on this.

I felt sure you would be well aware of the rules and have abided by them - no offence was meant. I was basically asking the previous poster to make it quite clear what they meant - because the way they phrased it was not clear.

Jem16's phrasing - at first glance - looked as if she had read this. On a second glance I can see it could come over either way - as she had or you had. So perhaps Jem needs to rephrase that bit.

I just know how often people have skimmed over my posts on the Board before now and replied as if I had said something totally different to what I actually DID say....there are a lot of skim readers on MSE.

SarEl

I can see how it could be interpreted in different ways. To be fair to Jem - I know she read it on the CAG site, and it does get confusing if people tell multiple stories (and then claim that they haven't!) to be utterly precise about where versions have originated from. As I have pointed out to the OP, on both sites, telling different versions and omitting important information doesn't get you better advice - it gets you inaccurate and possibly dangerous (if you follow it) advice! She (the OP doesn't get it and has become abusive and vitriolic because she doesn't like people asking her for the truth

jem16

ceridwen wrote: »

Perhaps you can clarify on the above post. From the way you phrased it - it sounds like another poster (in this case SarEl) has forwarded on a private PM to you.

Can you clarify on that point? - as the MSE ethos (and I expect the rules back it up) state that PMs are "private" - so I'm a bit confused as to what has happened at that point.....

As SarEl has already replied, the information on Peigi was not forwarded to me by SarEl or by any other person for that matter.

Alerted to peigi posting as Allwood on the CAG forums I went to look for myself as I'm also registered there. Having looked back through Allwood's previous posts it became rather more clear what seemed to be happening, hence why I asked Peigi for clarification. I did not purposely post the link to the CAG post/s to give Peigi the chance to explain. However her answer was to first ask me where it came from and then, within half an hour, to delete all her posts on this thread. She has also done this on other threads as SarEl has pointed out.

The post on CAG was http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?130761-Union-too-busy-to-take-to-me&highlight and if you want to look back at previous posts you will find all the info (and more) that I have posted. There are members of CAG who are now very annoyed at the way they have been "duped".

My apologies to SarEl if my post was unclear and gave others the impression that she passed on private messages - she has not. I have now rephrased that post just to make it absolutely clear.