Dentists... Who to complain to?

Toothsmith

CrazyChemist wrote:

I've already stated that it can be caused as a result of unsterilised equipment

And that makes it true does it?

I have posted a link that states it is not infectious in nature.

Can you back up your claim please?

Libel is a legal thing, and so long as the form of words used is correct, quite a lot can be 'suggested' without any recourse from those who are the subject of it.

Plus it is an expensive thing to undertake, and it would keep it in the papers.

CrazyChemist_2

Toothsmith wrote:

And that makes it true does it?

I have posted a link that states it is not infectious in nature.

Can you back up your claim please?

Libel is a legal thing, and so long as the form of words used is correct, quite a lot can be 'suggested' without any recourse from those who are the subject of it.

Plus it is an expensive thing to undertake, and it would keep it in the papers.

OK, if you really are a "dentist" you would already be aware of the significance of CD4 cells, their role in infection and the resulting mouth ulcer. It's basic immunology. I suggest a bit of reading before you reply again to refute this

Toothsmith

I have provided a link which backs up my (And the rest of medical science's)position and understanding of aphthous ulceration.

In case you missed it, it is HERE

I can even spell aphthous correctly which is more than you have so far been able to do. If we are talking about different things, please corect me, but I have never heard of amphous ulcers.

It has been a long time since I did immunology in any depth. So could you please provide me with some sort of link that will back up your position that your aphthous ulcer could only have been caused by a dirty dental instrument?

Is that the only way your CD4 cells could have been activated? Is the rest of your life lived in such a sterile environment that a dental instrument was the only possible source of infective material. (Even though the ulcers aren't caused by infection anyway)!

Does an increase in CD4 cells always result in a mouth ulcer?

Why does the rest of medical opinion not see it your way?

EDIT - In case you think I might have made up that site myself - there is another HERE And a very good NHS direct one HERE

Which States

Recurrent mouth ulcers cannot be caught by kissing, or by sharing drinks and utensils, because they are not caused by an infection.

Could you please post JUST 1 link, however obscure, that gives us all a glimmer of what's going on in your head?

Or have you discovered something that has so far eluded the rest of medical science?

CrazyChemist_2

I notice you constantly link to RECURRENT mouth ulcers. I am referring to a ONE-OFF. One possibly caused by an infection from a previous patient, for example. Out of interest can you explain why the only one ulcer I ever remember experiencing in my life was in the days following that dental vist? I wasn't stressed or lacking in B12 etc so I'm at a loss to explain this to myself.

I don't dispute what the links say (they don't actually state that it isn't the result of cross contamination from previous patients) but I trust medical journals which are always at the forefront of science development and many months/years ahead of changed healthcare policy. Unfortunately I can't access journals online at my location yet, so I'll pop a link up in the week Unless you have a subscription to WoK or likewise in which case you can DIY

Toothsmith

It is you that said it was an Aphthous ulcer (Well, an Amphous ulcer - but they don't exist) not me.

It was your Uncle that said this could be caused by infection. - That is wrong.

You say in that post you weren't stressed, but just 10 posts further back you say you were! I will grant you that the stress of the visit could have caused it, as that is a recognised pre-disposing factor.

We are not talking healthcare policy, we are talking basic diagnosis skills, and they are always kept up to date with current thinking through medical journals.

The link from NHS direct DOES say it cannot be caused by sharing utensils - now that applies to cutlery etc, but is equally true for dental instruments.

I can see why you chose your avatar!

Until you provide some decent back-up for your point of view, I will not waste my time here any longer. "Because I say so" doesn't work with me.

CrazyChemist_2

Toothsmith wrote:

It was your Uncle that said this could be caused by infection. - That is wrong.

I have already provided proof that this isn't the case. Your lack of scientific and immunological knowledge is what lets you down. If you have any problems with what I'm saying, phone up a university's bioscience dept and ask for an immunologist. They'll be happy to inform you. Furthermore, the herpes simplex and HIV virus are a cause of, guess what, yes... mouth ulcers :eek:

Toothsmith wrote:

You say in that post you weren't stressed, but just 10 posts further back you say you were!

No, I said the dentist was stressed - read again below. Hope your eyesight is better when you're reading patients' medical histories :rotfl:

CrazyChemist wrote:

it was combined with the high stress levels of the dentist and the fact she was in a rush.

Get it now? :rotfl:

Toothsmith wrote:

I can see why you chose your avatar!

Uh-huh... so basically because you don't know your basic immunology you resort to personal insults instead.

Toothsmith wrote:

Until you provide some decent back-up for your point of view, I will not waste my time here any longer. "Because I say so" doesn't work with me.

That's right - use your time to catch up on all the missing information

:wave:

Teerah

Sorry crazychemist but I'm afraid I have to agree fully with what toothsmith has said unless of course you can let us know what a "amphours ulcer" is?? If you do mean an apthous ulcer then the facts as presented by toothsmith are correct. Sometimes a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing and you should check your facts again.

Teerah

CrazyChemist wrote:

Furthermore, the herpes simplex and HIV virus are a cause of, guess what, yes... mouth ulcers :eek:

From Toothsmith's source: "Mouth ulcers are more common in people with Crohn's disease, coeliac disease, HIV infection, and Bechet's disease. But the ulcers may not be aphthous type." Therefore they do not have the same pathogenesis.

Where are your links to support your viewpoint?

Toothsmith

I think we are dealing with a mind immeasurably superior to ours here Teerah! :rotfl:

rharper83

I just had to say thanks for such an entertaining read!