No Comments about the sriking tube workers?

bendix

Strings wrote: »

You can not compare Australia's overground network to the tube as it simply does not compete at all.

The London tube transports up too 4 million people per day (back in 2007)

Please tell me what other countries have a network that is as old as the tube, and carries as many people?

TfL could shut the entire network down and upgrade it all, but look at what happens when it is shut for a day.

Talk about moaning for the sake of it

Fair enough, but wait till you get to Auckland. It has no public transport system at all, except for some very irregular buses that noone ever uses.

The_White_Horse

ILW wrote: »

I have never understood why a bus driver does not earn loads more than a tube driver. It seems to involve a whole lot more skills as well as having to deal with the public at the same time.
Is it just because the uderground has a stronger union?

it must be.

the reason we have strikes every year is because they work. the useless spineless idiots in charge must always cave in - otherwise the strikes would stop.

Cameron, Boris - you are no Thatcher. You are weak and you are allowing Crow to walk all over you and London.

Do something about it.

Strings

bendix wrote: »

Fair enough, but wait till you get to Auckland. It has no public transport system at all, except for some very irregular buses that noone ever uses.

I am well aware of that, and it is one thing that I am not looking forward too, esp as they are really hot on drinking and driving.

But the trains are getting better so one can only help.

Aucklands geographical nature along with the lack of people makes it very unlikely that there will be a decent system for years to come

bendix

Strings wrote: »

I am well aware of that, and it is one thing that I am not looking forward too, esp as they are really hot on drinking and driving.

But the trains are getting better so one can only help.

Aucklands geographical nature along with the lack of people makes it very unlikely that there will be a decent system for years to come

When I first moved there in 1991, I lived for a while in Glendowie. Pain in the !!!! to get to and from.

I soon learned the error of my ways, and when I got round to buying my places there were in Grey Lynn, Ponsonby and then St Mary's Bay.

So public transport was never an issue, and more than close enough to the city to jump in taxis after a night out.

I heard on the grapevine that there are suburbs in Auckland. I wouldn't know. It's not something I care to think about.

ILW

The_White_Horse wrote: »

it must be.

the reason we have strikes every year is because they work. the useless spineless idiots in charge must always cave in - otherwise the strikes would stop.

Cameron, Boris - you are no Thatcher. You are weak and you are allowing Crow to walk all over you and London.

Do something about it.

For once I am in total agreement, we now have a mainly tory goverment, why are we putting up with this crap?

Generali

ILW wrote: »

For once I am in total agreement, we now have a mainly tory goverment, why are we putting up with this crap?

You have to let people strike. The choice you have is whether or not to cave in to them.

ILW

Generali wrote: »

You have to let people strike. The choice you have is whether or not to cave in to them.

True, but a decent government would put in a bit of preparation and let them strike their way out of a job (Thatcher vs Miners). The whole underground could be driverless if the will was there.

bendix

TBF, there's not much Boris, Cameron or anybody can do to mitigate the effect of one day strikes. In this regard, Scargill played into the hands of Thatcher and MacGregor - by having a long term strike, the NCB was easily able to organise alternative labour, something not possible for one-day actions.

What's impressed me about this strike (and the same one last year), is how ordinary Londoners have expressed their contempt of Crow and the union by simply getting on with life. The unions are so out of touch with real life that it's not funny and there is next to noone who has any time left for them or their arguments.

Chris2685

What is the average wage for an underground driver?

bendix

I think i recall reading that it was in the 40ks. Could be wrong though.

Not bad for a job a trained monkey could do.