State pension age rise needed to balance books

BleepinHell

Over half a million young people unemployed.
Pay the state pension at 60 and let the youngsters have there jobs.
Is it really economical to confine a generation onto the scrapheap to save the difference from state pension £90 to job seekers allowance £68?
Saving the Country £22pw to keep a load of jaded old fogies in work. It doesnt make sense

marklv

BleepinHell wrote: »

Over half a million young people unemployed.
Pay the state pension at 60 and let the youngsters have there jobs.
Is it really economical to confine a generation onto the scrapheap to save the difference from state pension £90 to job seekers allowance £68?
Saving the Country £22pw to keep a load of jaded old fogies in work. It doesnt make sense

Pure common sense. Best post in this thread.

neverdespairgirl

marklv wrote: »

LOL!!! :rotfl:

I don't feel much like working now at age 43! Not the point, though, because now I really do have to work in order to support myself. At 18 I was still living with my parents, both of whom were still alive.

Tough luck, innit? :rotfl:

olly300

marklv wrote: »

Pure common sense. Best post in this thread.

Actually it's not common sense.

You are presuming that someone aged 18-25 can do the job of an older worker just like that.

You are forgetting that lots of older workers are very skilled in their jobs and making the older person retire while taking the younger person on means that there is no-one to train the younger person up to the same skill level.

One of the main issues in this country is lack of proper training in employment. Too many employers want people who can do a job with no training.

ILW

olly300 wrote: »

Actually it's not common sense.

You are presuming that someone aged 18-25 can do the job of an older worker just like that.

You are forgetting that lots of older workers are very skilled in their jobs and making the older person retire while taking the younger person on means that there is no-one to train the younger person up to the same skill level.

One of the main issues in this country is lack of proper training in employment. Too many employers want people who can do a job with no training.

And too many university and school leavers think it is below them to work their way up from the bottom.

Malcolm.

olly300 wrote: »

You are presuming that someone aged 18-25 can do the job of an older worker just like that.

You are forgetting that lots of older workers are very skilled in their jobs and making the older person retire while taking the younger person on means that there is no-one to train the younger person up to the same skill level.

With so many young people out of work, how do you expect them to receive on the job training?

olly300

ILW wrote: »

And too many university and school leavers think it is below them to work their way up from the bottom.

Unfortunately that's what their parents, teachers and some sectors of the media have been feeding them. One reason why it's important for students to work part-time while studying.

olly300

Malcolm. wrote: »

With so many young people out of work, how do you expect them to receive on the job training?

How did you get trained for your own job when you started out?

Did you just turn up on day one with all the skills you needed?

I didn't.

Regardless of when they get a job they still need to be trained on that job, and forcing skilled older workers into retirement doesn't mean the young people will get their jobs.

I've been told some horror stories about a large organisation refusing to train it's younger workers properly.

Malcolm.

olly300 wrote: »

Regardless of when they get a job they still need to be trained on that job,

Not if when, is never.

olly300 wrote: »

and forcing skilled older workers into retirement doesn't mean the young people will get their jobs.

I am pointing out the current situation. I haven't advocated forced retirement.

olly300 wrote: »

I've been told some horror stories about a large organisation refusing to train it's younger workers properly.

This is unfortunate. I haven't experienced this in my employment.

bendix

marklv wrote: »

Not all of us were born with sterling silver spoons in our mouths, went to independent schools or had all the attractive females swoon over them at university. Some of us have had to struggle and fight, and what doesn't kill us makes us stronger. Never underestimate the anger of a quiet man.

I'm not specifically angry at you or others like you like Procrastinator, what does anger me is the utter selfishness that I see from your ilk and the lack of concern or warmth towards you fellow citizens. You would be happy to sell your country down the river in order to make a few more bucks - that's the impression you give me. Your ideology is fixated on the concept that life is all about making money and using that to obtain power over others. It saddens me.

1. I wasn't born with a silver spoon. I will wager that my background is considerably more deprived, (sub) working class and harder than yours.

2. I struggled and fought to get out of that. As you say, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

3. I have no interest in making money. I earn a good salary, true, but that is only to ensure that I can retire by the time I am 50 and then spend the rest of my life enjoying myself in quiet reflection, away from the rat race.

4. I have no concept of 'my country' having lived all over the world for the last 20 years. I'm not entirely sure what country I am 'selling', but there you go . .

5. My ideology - if I have one - is built around a creed of personal responsibility and individualism.

But apart from that, you got it all right. Congrats.