What Is Your Opinion of the Unemployed

Person_one

O!ette wrote: »

Whe! ! we!t to u!! ! thought gett!!g ! job !fter woul! be the e!!!e!t th!!g !! the worl!, !t w!!!'t !!! ! we!t o! the !ole. From the mome!t ! w!l!e! !!to the !ole off!!e, !MHO !t w!! obv!ou! to !ee who w!!te! to wor! !!! who !!!!'t. !!! the !!! th!!g !! the !eo!le who obv!ou!ly were t!!!!g !t !er!ou!ly were the !m!ller !er!e!t!ge. ! th!!! th!t'! the !!ffere!!e. Why? Who !!ow!, but ! !o bel!eve !t! very e!!y to be!ome !!!e!g!ge! !!! !!!e!fr!!!h!!e! o! the !ole whe! !ll you h!ve to !o !! m!!e u! !ome guff !bout !!!ly!!g to job!.

The f!r!t t!me ! !!g!e! o! (!l!o !fter u!!) !t !eeme! th!t w!y, but !ow !'m !o!!g !t ! !e!o!! t!me th!!g! h!ve !h!!ge! m!!!!vely. There'! ! huge m!x of !eo!le of !ll !ge!, b!!!grou!!! et!. !l!!m!!g J!!. My lo!!l J!! h!! h!! go!e from h!v!!g o!e floor of !!g!er! o! to 3 !!! h!! h!! to re!t off!!e !!!!e !! !!other bu!l!!!g to !o!e w!th the !mou!t of !ew !l!!m!!t!. Th!!g! h!ve !h!!ge!.

Of !our!e, !t! !m!o!!!ble to tell who !! ge!u!!ely loo!!!g for wor! b!!e! !olely o! !!!e!r!!!e! But you !!! overhe!r other !eo!le'! !!!o!!tme!t! wh!le you w!!t !o you !o get ! b!t of !! !!e!.


EDIT: Did the forum go insane for anybody else just now? For a few seconds it showed every post in this kind of gobbledegook but for some reason mine is the only one that stayed this way!!

viktory

DVardysShadow wrote: »

It is fine where it is. This is about personal experiences related to Jobseeking [the topic of this section of the forums] and is absolutely on topic here. It should not be mixed in with the general argy bargy about non personal matters in Discussion Time.

I disagree. It is a discussion, ergo it should be in discussion time.

mrcow

Person_one wrote: »

The f!r!t t!me ! !!g!e! o! (!l!o !fter u!!) !t !eeme! th!t w!y, but !ow !'m !o!!g !t ! !e!o!! t!me th!!g! h!ve !h!!ge! m!!!!vely. There'! ! huge m!x of !eo!le of !ll !ge!, b!!!grou!!! et!. !l!!m!!g J!!. My lo!!l J!! h!! h!! go!e from h!v!!g o!e floor of !!g!er! o! to 3 !!! h!! h!! to re!t off!!e !!!!e !! !!other bu!l!!!g to !o!e w!th the !mou!t of !ew !l!!m!!t!. Th!!g! h!ve !h!!ge!.

Of !our!e, !t! !m!o!!!ble to tell who !! ge!u!!ely loo!!!g for wor! b!!e! !olely o! !!!e!r!!!e! But you !!! overhe!r other !eo!le'! !!!o!!tme!t! wh!le you w!!t !o you !o get ! b!t of !! !!e!.


EDIT: Did the forum go insane for anybody else just now? For a few seconds it showed every post in this kind of gobbledegook but for some reason mine is the only one that stayed this way!!

Quoting for prosperity in case it changes back.

Worrying thing is that I could read your post quite easily!

Person_one

mrcow wrote: »

Quoting for prosperity in case it changes back.

Worrying thing is that I could read your post quite easily!

I'm impressed!

(Did you mean posterity, or should I be expecting a windfall!? )

mrcow

Person_one wrote: »

I'm impressed!

(Did you mean posterity, or should I be expecting a windfall!? )

lol I completely deserved that!

junkmayle

How do I change my deafness, Mrcow and Vader123?

ali-t

My view is that there is a significant difference between those who are unemployed but actively job seeking, and those who are unemployed but don't want to work.

I tend towards negative prejudice towards those who don't want to work or who continually sabotage any efforts to get them employed but have more sympathy towards those trained and previously employed in a niche market or with specialist skills who are unable to find work in their field.

9 months was mentioned earlier as a timescale in a post and IMO by 9 months unemployed people should be applying for anything and everything regardless if it is their niche area or not.

dickydonkin

Vader123 wrote: »

My controversial and often disliked opinion is that anyone who is "long term" unemployed (say over 9 months) is doing something very wrong with their job hunting.

They are either being to restrictive in what they want to do, the hours they want to work, have a crappy CV/interview skills/application form , and/or don't want to work.

I own my own company with 134 FT employees spread over 4 UK locations.

I have dealt personally with the DWP and unemployment and unemployed people are a big part of my business.

Vader

I have to disagree.

Try applying for jobs in a deprived area when you are the wrong side of 50. I can assure you ageism is alive and kicking!

I have applied for 'menial' jobs however, I suspect that when they see my CV, they may be reluctant to employ me due to the nature of my previous role and likely that when a job did appear that I am trained to do, they would likely think (correctly) that I would be off like a shot.

Don't tar everyone with the same brush - everyone's circumstances are diffferent.

I have dealt personally with the DWP and unemployment and unemployed people are a big part of my business.

And so have I - and with the exception of a few, my local JCP in Durham must have some of the rudest, incompetent and unhelpful people working there who only seemed interested in getting you off their books.

An awful and depressing place - so much so that I just stopped going there as they were quite frankly useless.

They were more interested in getting me to sign off as they incessantly told me I had paid sufficient pension contributions and there was no need for me to sign on - and here was me thinking I went there for assistance in obtaining a job!

sexki11en

sunday_girl wrote: »

Curious as to why you think this happens? From a new job-seekers POV (after a period as a SAHM) I am interested as everything I read seems to point to competition being extremely fierce and the chance of securing a job tiny! This actually gives me some hope that people who are really keen might stand a chance (doesn't help you though, sorry!)

You know, I really have no idea. When I speak to the person on the phone, I explain as much as I can - role, company background, hours, salary, expected interview and start dates. They always sound interested then just don't show.

I can honestly say, the more people have been allegedly looking for work, the worse it's got from our POV.

SK x

haydonwynter

To be honest I think that the general attitudes of people need to change, because everyone’s circumstances are totally different.

Take me for example:

I’ve am long term unemployed at the moment but I am trying to get back into work, but it’s not that black & white for me.
I left school in the May 1997 when I was 15 I done my exams and was graded well, in spite of having a rough family background. My friends were into drink, drugs and crime. We moved about a lot. I went to four primary schools & three senior schools.

My parents weren’t motivating, Inspirational, or encouraging. I have two brothers (one’s a heroin addict) and two sisters (ones Vicky Pollard).

I went to college at the age of 16 in September 1997. However this was not good enough for my parents and they practically forced me to take a job. They told me to lie about my age and my step father got me a job on security working nights on a static site. My shifts were Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday & Sunday nights from 4:30pm to 7am. However my college days were Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. This meant that I would have to go straight to college from work on Monday morning and straight to work from college on the Wednesday.

With my parents’ marriage breaking down around me, I worked like this for two years and as you could probably imagine it damaged my mental state for quite a long time afterwards. Can you imagine having a physical and mental breakdown before you reached the age of 18?

I have worked on and off all my life, but the important thing is I have always done something. I have worked (against advice) as a security guard, Order picker, Packer, Bin man, 2nd Driver on HGV, Gardener & various other things and In about 2007 I had problems again, but I could not just sit there doing nothing so I went into education and have been there since (doing different things). Now I am looking for a job and I have set myself a target if I cannot get anything by September I am going back to university for a degree.

I am 27 and it’s not an easy being on the dole regardless of what the Daily Mail thinks especially where I live, I don’t do drugs, I don’t smoke and I don’t drink.

As bad as it sounds I could be the most dangerous person that never was, I can still access the life that I choose to ignore. There are people I know that would welcome me to that life, the drugs, the violence & the crime, but I want no part of it. I detest it, I want my wife and kids to be proud of me, I want to be proud of myself.

I live a quite life with my beautiful wife and children, who I have instilled with morals, love and care. Even though I am not working, I always tell them Work and Education are important and I even make DIY jobs up for me to do, so they think I am doing something and I even include them in helping me.

What people need to realise it that this country is full of Haydons, but which ones would you prefer? The one you got here today posting on this forum or the Haydon I could have been?

What I mean that is:
A decent guy on the dole or a Criminal that makes thousands a week and in most cases is still on the dole :P