Benefit wasters paid to move to expensive areas to lower rents/houseprices

andygb

Please folks - STOP FEEDING THE TROLL!

Simples

ruggedtoast

andygb wrote: »

Please folks - STOP FEEDING THE TROLL!

Simples

He's not trolling its a valid OP. The problem is it doesnt address the core issues.

Paying private landlords public money to house benefit claimants was ideologically problematic for Labour. They still did it because hpi was so inextricably linked into Brown's boom not bust fantasy. Nevertheless a lot of back benchers wanted to see council housing being built, and ironically if Brown had got in again they may just have got it.

The Tories have no such qualms whatsoever with paying the private sector to fill a public sector need.

Garden building has been banned, Green belt plans effectively wiped out. Forced sales of property to pay for elderly people's residential care will be reversed.

The only thing that would significantly reduce house prices is an increase in supply or significantly reducing what people can borrow.

None of those things will happen now. The government would much rather you dont buy a house at all, than get a small mortgage to buy a property that will sink national averages.

There are only going to be more unemployed people, and the ones that dont end up on the streets will be claiming housing benefit. There is simply no where else for councils to put them.

Far from the HB caps being bad news for btl landlords I think its a clear sign that Cleggeron is pretty much backstopping their existence until the next parliament and budgeting for the same.

PasturesNew

When I saw it on the telly, they were at Tower Hamlets and you could see the City over the trees. They then said that "these poor people here could move" and said "where there are jobs" and another man said "15-20 miles" and I didn't really understand.

If you're living in Tower Hamlets your immediate area is poor, but if you hop on that tube thing you're in London as soon as you like, with all the potential there. I had a friend who lived out in Herts and would catch the train into London to hand out bags at exhibitions for £10/hour when she was 17. So, there are jobs close by, that aren't minimum wage. So why move them?

Also, surely most people travel 15-20 miles to work.... so why move somebody's entire home just because there's a job 15 miles away? Doesn't compute.

How about this for an idea: PUBLISH THE BL00DY LIST OF WHERE THESE JOBS ARE .... SO THAT PEOPLE ALREADY LIVING IN THE AREA WILL KNOW. I've no idea where there might be jobs in the country, or jobs doing XYZ. I'd love to see such a list, but it doesn't exist.

The bloke on the telly was standing in somewhere that sounded like he said Roedean (?) and said there had been lots of jobs created there. He never said what sort of jobs. Maybe they were (past tense) in construction and now what's there is a bunch of empty offices ..... all fluff and no data.

This'll die a natural death.

ruggedtoast

The unemployment problem in London is different to other parts of the UK. Tower Hamlets in particular has a large Bengali community, 70% of whom are out of work; for various reasons I dont want to get side tracked on.

The unemployment problem in Crawley, for example is different. Demographically and functionally. If they paid low income workers transport costs that would help a lot. Not many people on a low wage can afford £300pcm to commute into London and if you dont have a car the next town can be unreachable.

mbga9pgf

ruggedtoast wrote: »

The unemployment problem in London is different to other parts of the UK. Tower Hamlets in particular has a large Bengali community, 70% of whom are out of work; for various reasons I dont want to get side tracked on.
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I think you can. Its quite simple. Cultural differences. Oh, and a Labour government that loved to buy votes off workshy non-english speakers.

IveSeenTheLight

PasturesNew wrote: »

How about this for an idea: PUBLISH THE BL00DY LIST OF WHERE THESE JOBS ARE .... SO THAT PEOPLE ALREADY LIVING IN THE AREA WILL KNOW. I've no idea where there might be jobs in the country, or jobs doing XYZ. I'd love to see such a list, but it doesn't exist.

Is this list not available at the job centre?

also I guess there must be a list at agencies

ruggedtoast

mbga9pgf wrote: »

I think you can. Its quite simple. Cultural differences. Oh, and a Labour government that loved to buy votes off workshy non-english speakers.

Its partly that but the main driver of mass immigration is, and always has been industry.

Most people from the Sub-Continent aren't workshy but if there isnt work for them to do they cant do it.

A large number of unemoployed immigrants however is an insurance policy against wage inflation.

"You've been working here for 5 years and want a 2% payrise do you? Well look on this map and there's 10,000 of your countrymen within a mile of Bow DLR who will happily undercut you by 2%."

mbga9pgf

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Its partly that but the main driver of mass immigration is, and always has been industry.

Most people from the Sub-Continent aren't workshy but if there isnt work for them to do they cant do it.

A large number of unemoployed immigrants however is an insurance policy against wage inflation.

"You've been working here for 5 years and want a 2% payrise do you? Well look on this map and there's 10,000 of your countrymen within a mile of Bow DLR who will happily undercut you by 2%."

Ah well, suck it up... they can always go back.

PasturesNew

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Is this list not available at the job centre?

also I guess there must be a list at agencies

No. At both those places you can go and try to find out what jobs they have, but there is no map/list to look at to show where jobs are. In a JC you can go in daily and read all the boards, doesn't give you much of a clue what's where generally (or outside of your area). If you go to an agency they don't let you see the jobs or know where they are unless you get an interview for one, once they've matched your CV to their vacancy list.

As an example: It's a bit like standing in your own garden and knowing there's a bit of rain, but you can't see the weather map to see how far the rain extends to or how bad it is up the road. If you can see a weather map, you can see where the edges of the rain clouds are, they might only be 10-20 miles away and you could drive to a different town to go shopping.

It's why I don't move. I don't know where to move to, such that the sort of jobs I could do are available in sufficient numbers that I stand a chance of bagging one if I moved there. I know there are no jobs here, but I don't know where they're clustering. Should I move 75 miles north east? Or 150 miles west? What about 200 miles north? No lists/stats to give me a "weather map" view.

KittyPryde

My bf and I were on JSA until a few months back. After a long time of not being able to get any work round here, my bf looked further afield, got offered a job starting in September and we will now be moving a few 100 miles down south to England for his job. I thought it was common to move to where the jobs were. I don't think people should be offered stuff to do it?

P.S. The machines at the job centre have jobs listed country-wide. You just put in the job you are looking for ie engineer and country-wide jobs come up unless you specify your postcode and how many miles outside of it you are willing to look for work.