Moral Dilemma

mountainofdebt

ab7167 wrote: »

I'm not so morally bankrupt that I would sue them for unfair dismissal when I'd already got what I wanted! And I haven't benefitted yet, this will be my first month soley on SMP - so if I resigned today I'd get about 2 weeks of accrued leave and nothing beyond my standard maternity pay. If you are recieving contractural mat pay, they can deduct, which I have no problem with and they have been doing for the 18 weeks I was getting contractural mat pay.

You completely misunderstood what I was saying.

I never for one minute said you'd sue them for unfair dismissal but there have been threads on here where the question has been rasied about the 'fairness' of being made redundant whilst on maternity leave. Your employer, who presumably don't know of your thoughts on the subject, may decide not to make you redundant so they don't put themselves in a position where they can be sued......even if they don't know you wouldn't iyswim.

Similarly if they did know that you were thinking of leaving then they may not make you redundant because they may be hoping that you'll go of your own accord thus saving them some ££££ in redundancy payments.

Fang_3

ab7167 wrote: »

Interesting point of view Fang, thanks for your input. Do you feel the same about the 15 hours "free" childcare she will be entitled to from next January as well? As of course, this is being paid for by the taxpayer so I can "sit around and only look after one child". Would you also advise that I don't send her to preschool because someone else is paying for it?

I'm perfectly capable of looking after 2 children, it's just nice for them both to have quality time with me on my own. If they don't get this, then tough - we will all survive, it is a luxury to be honest. Perhaps I should have just not bothered asking - I actually had every intention of going back and working, but with impending redundancy I have been considering my options and OH asked what would happen about the rest of the mat pay that I am entitled (which is a horrible word anyway) to. It was only then that I had to consider the timing of my resignation. This is not a small company, BTW, its a large multinational and they screw us over without a second thought. Not that 2 wrongs make a right and there are always the shareholders to consider as well, some of whom will need the income from the dividends.

I think I will probably make my employer an offer to make me redundant - which will consist of all the money I am legally entitled to (including a contractural return to work bonus), knock 10-20% off and see if they want rid of me. Then I can get on with the business of looking after my gorgeous children :-)

If you'd have said that you were considering it so she could go and achieve some social development and be of benefit to your daughter then I could understand why you would consider it. You didn't. You want to do it so you can have a rest. That is what annoys me. And to be perfectly frank, and perhaps a little crude, if you want a rest, shut your legs.

ab7167

I think we won't be going ahead with that. It's the kind of thing that while nice to toss round as an idea would be too difficult and problematic in reality to implement. It was a nice offer, but I think we will leave it. Anyway, I would have to resign from my job to do it anyway. Just exloring options at the moment :-)

Almo

As a deliberately (and I sincerely hope permanently) childless woman of childbearing age, I think you ought to resign now if you believe you don't want to go back to work. I believe it is tough enough out there for women without mothers screwing their employers over like this and in turn prompting the employers to hesitate over employing women in case they go on to do the same.

mountainofdebt

Almo wrote: »

As a deliberately (and I sincerely hope permanently) childless woman of childbearing age, I think you ought to resign now if you believe you don't want to go back to work. I believe it is tough enough out there for women without mothers screwing their employers over like this and in turn prompting the employers to hesitate over employing women in case they go on to do the same.

She has a point.

Basically this is why OH won't employ a woman.....may not be PC but as he looks at it, its his company and he reckons the government screws them enough without his employees doing it as well.

getmore4less

Stay taking the money

If hubbies income dries up you will be glad of a job.


Companies know they take on this kind of liability when employing women.

RLH33

I can't believe how vicious some of the comments are on here.

I would continue taking the money and make a final decision about going back to work when you HAVE to make the decision rather than making the decision now and regretting it later. Your feelings may change.

If redundancy is in the offing then I, personally, would think very seriously about going back to work and then putting myself forward for redundancy which will achieve a nice lump sum to live on for a while. As you say, your employer is a multinational company and they probably would screw you over without a second thought - you have to look after number one in these situations. More fool them for allowing such a situation to arise in the first place.

Hammyman

annie_tanks wrote: »

Women do this all the time, and I dont blame them at all.Get all the entitlements and more all the time you can.

And thats why I and many other businesses won't employ women who I think are likely to get pregnant or have got pregnant.As a business, I can't afford to be screwed over like this.

And you can shove all the equal rights and employment laws you want under an employers nose you want but the simple fact is "good luck with proving it" and that the reason its got to this is because of scum who have no intention of going back and decide to basically STEAL money from their employer.

Mini_Bear

Hi OP, i know you are getting a harsh time on this and i can't understand,its you against them and i know that companies are only too happy to screw their employees over.
Why not go back to work and then get the redundancy cash - or take voluntary redundancy.
Its all very well taking the moral high ground regarding employment, but i have met many a bitter person with 'principles'.
I have always worked in the private sector so i guess my attitude is to look out for yourself first!
Good luck whatever you decide OP!

Person_one

Hammyman wrote: »

And thats why I and many other businesses won't employ women who I think are likely to get pregnant or have got pregnant.As a business, I can't afford to be screwed over like this.

And you can shove all the equal rights and employment laws you want under an employers nose you want but the simple fact is "good luck with proving it" and that the reason its got to this is because of scum who have no intention of going back and decide to basically STEAL money from their employer.

As a fertile female but with no intention of reproducing, I can't tell you how great this makes me feel about my future. :eek:

Its wonderful that there are men out there who can tell whether a woman is likely to get pregnant just by looking at her, what a skill!