Employment Contract

BGM

Hi,

Today, I stumbled across a copy of my original contract when i joined my current employer.

It bears no resemblance to what i am currently doing with respect to title, responsibilities, and definitely pay structure! There are probably other more subtle ways in which it has changed too..

During my four years with the company i have been promoted a had a number of pay rises..

I feel that i should perhaps ask for a new copy of a more 'relevant' contract of employment.. is this necessary?

In it's current incarnation the document is pretty much useless though, so might chuck it. However then I have nothing

Perhaps that answers my own question?

getmore4less

You will have a contract it will just be based on the original with modifications some will be written some not.

Promotion or pay rises are part of your contract. even without a letter they become part anyway because you have accepted working with these new conditions.

If there are job specs for any of those promotions they now apply.
Any ammendments to T&C's that you have not objected to like hours, overtime holidays etc all become part of the contract.

Often the initial contract refers to handbooks or policy documents these may have changed.

Some key elements that may be worth keping are if it mentions place of work and does not have mobility clauses these can come in handy if you are asked to move location and would prefer redundancy.

BGM

yes i understand that i still have a contract, did i say otherwise?

what i am saying is that the printed piece of paper which i have has nothing to do with what my current contract (in whatever state it exists) form.

The question is pertaining to should i request a full, up to date, new written copy which i would assume will incorporate all the numerous changes i have had over the years.. or just file the one i have away again?

It seems to silly to keep a record of my contract when there is pretty much nothing in it relevant any more, however getting rid of it means i have no hard copy.

Is it the done thing to request an updated contract from time to time?

dmg24

BGM wrote: »

yes i understand that i still have a contract, did i say otherwise?

what i am saying is that the printed piece of paper which i have has nothing to do with what my current contract (in whatever state it exists) form.

The question is pertaining to should i request a full, up to date, new written copy which i would assume will incorporate all the numerous changes i have had over the years.. or just file the one i have away again?

It seems to silly to keep a record of my contract when there is pretty much nothing in it relevant any more, however getting rid of it means i have no hard copy.

Is it the done thing to request an updated contract from time to time?

You might get more responses if you were a little more polite to those who try to help you.

LittleVoice

No, it is not "the done thing" to ask for a revised copy. Sometimes organisations decide to re-issue up-to-date contracts so their employees know how things stand, but it is not necessary and often means they are trying to cover up a loophole which has been discovered. You should just keep your original paperwork and any things which confirm changes since it was issued. For employees there can be advantages to not having a revised contract - for instance you may have moved to a job which normally requires 12 weeks notice from an employee but your existing contract has four weeks, only rising by one week a year after completing five years. (That isn't a statutory requirement in respect of notice from employees but a lot of employers use it as it then matches their own obligations.)

BGM

dmg24 wrote: »

You might get more responses if you were a little more polite to those who try to help you.

the funny thing about written text is that it can be interpreted in a multitude of ways.. i wasn't intentionally being impolite. In fact reading it back i still don't really think that post was in any way rude, i was just being explicit in defining the question which i seemed to not have done well enough first off..

LittleVoice wrote: »

No, it is not "the done thing" to ask for a revised copy. Sometimes organisations decide to re-issue up-to-date contracts so their employees know how things stand, but it is not necessary and often means they are trying to cover up a loophole which has been discovered. You should just keep your original paperwork and any things which confirm changes since it was issued. For employees there can be advantages to not having a revised contract - for instance you may have moved to a job which normally requires 12 weeks notice from an employee but your existing contract has four weeks, only rising by one week a year after completing five years. (That isn't a statutory requirement in respect of notice from employees but a lot of employers use it as it then matches their own obligations.)

ok, the thing here is that i don't have any form of written communications with respect to changes to the original contract.. many have been done verbally and then appeared in my pay the following month.

Because everything has always changed smoothly i guess i have never really questioned it.. just looking to cover my bases really.

thinking about it, i *might* have some emails, but is that enough?

getmore4less

I had to reread the posts just to make sure I had not been rude, just vague.

I understand where you are coming from but in my experience never throw anythng out that might just be usefull and asking forthese updates usualy ends up with more work or something you don't like(these are ofen best disputed when you have nothing to lose)

Let me try another angle.

What are you trying to get from this?
Be clear what the objectives are

Some laces work a strict rigourous employment environment some are more flexable.

What is your boss going to do with a request for updated contract.

Probably start with job specifications and get you to do them to keep you off his/her back for a while if they are smart. Then get you to do all the junior ones as well.

Pay and grade are in the payroll system/payslips
Benifits any problem with those.

I agree with it is not normal to expect upated tems unless you are looking at a significant change in position that you really need to have clear T&C that may be different form the average employee