How middle class families pay 49% of income in taxes - The Telegraph

The_White_Horse

poor people who can't afford to raise kids should not have them. it really is that simple.


people make choices to have kids, either intentionally or by simply sleeping around and being careless.

you don't want to be lumbered with a kid you don't want and can't afford, keep your legs together. if you can't give in to your desire for some love sausage, then if you get pregnant, tough luck.

i am not a prude btw. i advocate doing what you like in life. i do. but YOU and NO ONE ELSE should pay for your mistakes or your bad decisions.

the only time you should get help is if the child needs medical help etc.

Degenerate

The_White_Horse wrote: »

the only time you should get help is if the child needs medical help etc.

The child is going to need medical help pretty soon if the parent(s) have no means to feed, clothe and put a roof over it's head.

The_White_Horse

Degenerate wrote: »

The child is going to need medical help pretty soon if the parent(s) have no means to feed, clothe and put a roof over it's head.

well they will have to find some means won't they - or the child will be taken into care and the parent(s) jailed for child cruelty.

marklv

The_White_Horse wrote: »

poor people who can't afford to raise kids should not have them. it really is that simple.


people make choices to have kids, either intentionally or by simply sleeping around and being careless.

you don't want to be lumbered with a kid you don't want and can't afford, keep your legs together. if you can't give in to your desire for some love sausage, then if you get pregnant, tough luck.

i am not a prude btw. i advocate doing what you like in life. i do. but YOU and NO ONE ELSE should pay for your mistakes or your bad decisions.

the only time you should get help is if the child needs medical help etc.

Well said. The current welfare system is dysgenic - i.e. it assists those of lower intelligence and educational attainment to breed more. This is helping to create and perpetuate a massive underclass of people who will forever be addicted to welfare and occasional bits of work, with no stability or respect for family life. We need to have a eugenic welfare system, i.e. one that assists the most talented and intelligent; only then can we move forward as a nation. We have enough chavs in Britain now.
It's all the politically correct nonsense that we need to put aside. This is what is ruining the country.

marklv

drc wrote: »

The problem is if you live in London and have a median sort of income and a family. We are kind of in that predicament. London is full of very well off people and quite a lot of benefit recipients. Both of these groups do quite well and are looked after (either by themselves or the state) but people who don't earn a huge wage (say £40k for London) but are not entitled to any benefits as they are classed as earning too much are penalised both by London weighting and the benefits system (and sometimes people have no choice but to stay in London for work or to help elderly relatives). £40k may make you rich in Sheffield or somewhere up north but in London, it's not that easy to live on after paying rent, council tax and living expenses and having a family.

I've suggested to my other half many a time that we would be better off on benefits but he enjoys workng too much .

The consider moving. Scotland is a nice place - far cheaper housing, lovely countryside, better education and healthcare. In life you have to be prepared to move around if you want to achieve your objectives.

marklv

lostinrates wrote: »

A foot baller needn't be working class.

Most have working class backgrounds. The educated middle class ones end up presenting Match of the Day or as pundits.

marklv

ninky wrote: »

i think there are some bitter people on here who resent the fact they've had kids and can't afford a glamorous city life anymore. my advice is to stop looking at what you think everyone else has got and enjoy your own good fortune.

I think the problem is that modern society is extremely materialistic.

When I was a small kid a typical middle class holiday meant going for a break in a rented cottage in Devon. Now people expect to fly to the Seychelles or Mauritius and stay in plush 5 star resorts. When I was a kid if your parents had a second hand Ford Anglia/Escort they were pretty well off; these days you need a 4X4 to keep up with Jones's.

Society has changed, largely as a result of Thatcherism and the 'loadsamoney' mentality of the mid-late 1980s. By that time, WW2 debts had been paid off and North Sea oil revenues were flowing in; direct taxes were cut massively, council houses were privatised, nationalised industries sold off and almost everyone felt richer. It was really just a bribe - nothing more. For most people this abundance of wealth was just an illusion, but if you had any spare cash you were suddenly under pressure to get 'things' in order to show your newly acquired propserity: a bigger house (even if you didn't need one), a bigger car, the latest gadgets, designer clothes, watches and pens, etc. It was consumerism gone mad. And this attitude is so ingrained that even now it hasn't gone away; people are still living beyond their means and often don't realise it. This needs to change if this country will ever start moving forward again. We need a hefty dose of realism to hit home to the British people.

carolt

marklv wrote: »

I think the problem is that modern society is extremely materialistic.

When I was a small kid a typical middle class holiday meant going for a break in a rented cottage in Devon. Now people expect to fly to the Seychelles or Mauritius and stay in plush 5 star resorts. When I was a kid if your parents had a second hand Ford Anglia/Escort they were pretty well off; these days you need a 4X4 to keep up with Jones's.

Society has changed, largely as a result of Thatcherism and the 'loadsamoney' mentality of the mid-late 1980s. By that time, WW2 debts had been paid off and North Sea oil revenues were flowing in; direct taxes were cut massively, council houses were privatised, nationalised industries sold off and almost everyone felt richer. It was really just a bribe - nothing more. For most people this abundance of wealth was just an illusion, but if you had any spare cash you were suddenly under pressure to get 'things' in order to show your newly acquired propserity: a bigger house (even if you didn't need one), a bigger car, the latest gadgets, designer clothes, watches and pens, etc. It was consumerism gone mad. And this attitude is so ingrained that even now it hasn't gone away; people are still living beyond their means and often don't realise it. This needs to change if this country will ever start moving forward again. We need a hefty dose of realism to hit home to the British people.

Speak for yourself!

We'e not like that and I know plenty of families who aren't either.

How many families do you think take holidays to "the Seychelles or Mauritius and stay in plush 5 star resorts", say?

Get real.

The_White_Horse

everyone thinks they "deserve" a holiday. the fact is you don't deserve anything.

carolt

What do you deserve, horsie?