Things to come?

lynzpower

A._Badger wrote: »

There are lots of much cherished myths about the feelthy capitalist USA - not least about its health and benefits system. I can't imagine why Left-wing writers, broadcasters and polemicists would wish to perpetuate them....

http://www.law.harvard.edu/programs/lwp/papers/No_Holidays.pdf

Is harvard left wing then?

StevieJ

lynzpower wrote: »

http://www.law.harvard.edu/programs/lwp/papers/No_Holidays.pdf

Is harvard left wing then?

Why does that chart not have paid bank holidays for the UK?

PhylPho

lynzpower wrote: »

Oh god. That is terrible.

( that policy makers while away thier lives on mse...somebody sack them all, whoops was that my fault too)

Hell everythings my fault these days,:eek::eek::eek::rotfl::rotfl:

C'mon, it's (a) not your fault and (b) wot a bloody wunnerful idea it would be if the new Government appointed someone to read MSE and take note of all the posts on a sub-forum such as this. No more need for focus groups, consultants, special advisers and spin doctors. (So that's half a £billion saved straight off the bat.) The truth is here. We tell it like it is. (Or, er, like we think it should be.)

vivatifosi

Mercers published some data on the retirement ages in different countries across the world in 2007. Its a bit old and I'm sure recent events will have had an impact, but not a bad starting point (I've edited to make more user friendly than original post)

http://uk.mercer.com/summary.htm?idContent=1289390

Austria, the retirement age for women will be gradually from 60 to 65 by 2033.
Belgium, from 2009, the NRA for women will be raised from 64 to 65.
Czech Republic target retirement age of 63 for males and 59 - 63 for females by 2013
Denmark increase from 65 to 67 between 2024 and 2027.
Germany increasing the age for men and women from 65 to 67 between 2012 and 2029.
Hungary, women 64, men 65 by 2010 then 68 women/69 men by 2050.
Israeli gradual increase to 67 for men and 64 for women.
Italy rising to 61 by 2013.
Turkey: rising to 60 for males and 58 for females from between 41 to 56 years.
Australia, by 2014, 65 - same for men and women.
India NRA typically 58 or 60 but the trend has been towards age 60.
Japan is gradually increasing from 60 to 65. For company-sponsored retirement plans in Singaporean long-term objective is to increase the retirement age from 62 to 67
South Korea will increase from 60 to 61 in 2013 then one year every 5 years until 65
Colombia’s NRA will increase in 2014 from 60 to 62 for men and from 55 to 60 for women.
Canada, there is a move for the majority of provinces to eliminate mandatory retirement ages. There has been no recent change in Brazil and the United States.
China - has a retirement age lower than 65 and the worlds largest number of elderly, likely to come under pressure to change.

ash28

StevieJ wrote: »

Why does that chart not have paid bank holidays for the UK?

There is no entitlement to paid public holidays in the UK, it isn't that many years age there was no entitlement to paid holidays, I think paid holidays might been introduced as a right not a privilege around 1998. Your employer can include public holidays in your overall holiday entitlement.

The current legal minimum holiday entitlement is 28 days and can include public and bank holidays - ask any temp.

• • you are entitled to a minimum of 5.6 weeks paid annual leave (28 days for someone working five days a week)
  • part-time workers are entitled to the same level of holiday pro rata (so 5.6 times your usual working week, eg 22.4 days for someone working four days a week)
  • you start building up holiday as soon as you start work
  • your employer can control when you take your holiday
  • you get paid your normal pay for your holiday
  • when you finish a job, you get paid for any holiday you have not taken
  • bank and public holidays can be included in your minimum entitlement
  • you continue to be entitled to your holiday leave throughout your ordinary and additional maternity leave and paternity and adoption leave

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/employment/employees/timeoffandholidays/dg_10029788

lemonjelly

ash28's post is completely true.

In advice work I have had the ongoing pleasure of explaining this to so many people who have been convinced of their legal right to have bank holidays off.

A._Badger

lynzpower wrote: »

http://www.law.harvard.edu/programs/lwp/papers/No_Holidays.pdf

Is harvard left wing then?

Hell, yes! That's like asking 'is Oxbridge'?

StevieJ

ash28 wrote: »

There is no entitlement to paid public holidays in the UK, it isn't that many years age there was no entitlement to paid holidays, I think paid holidays might been introduced as a right not a privilege around 1998. Your employer can include public holidays in your overall holiday entitlement.

The current legal minimum holiday entitlement is 28 days and can include public and bank holidays - ask any temp.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/employment/employees/timeoffandholidays/dg_10029788

But the chart says holiday entitlement 20 days for the UK with no bank holidays (so is still incorrect) it looks like the bank holidays have been rolled up into the normal holiday entitlement i.e 20 days + 8 = 28. So in effect we are entitled to be paid for the equivalent of 8 bank holidays.

StevieJ

lemonjelly wrote: »

ash28's post is completely true.

In advice work I have had the ongoing pleasure of explaining this to so many people who have been convinced of their legal right to have bank holidays off.

Not completely true they may not be entitled to bank holidays off but they are entitled to a day off in lieu (see post above). Presumably the company can nominate bank holidays as up to 8 days of your annual entitlement although it would be much better for the individual if they can choose the days they wish to be on holiday.

lemonjelly

StevieJ wrote: »

Not completely true they may not be entitled to bank holidays off but they are entitled to a day off in lieu (see post above). Presumably the company can nominate bank holidays as up to 8 days of your annual entitlement although it would be much better for the individual if they can choose the days they wish to be on holiday.

Kinda...

Under current legislation, an employee is entitled to 28 days/5.6 weeks annual leave. These can include bank holidays, but there is no legal right to have them as holidays. Therefore you have to use one of your 28 days in order to book the day off (if the employer allows the leave). If the business is open on bank hols, (eg pubs, shops, restaurants etc) then they will be requiring staff. However there are a lot of business' which do include all the banks hols (plus potentially other select dates) as annual leave, & deduct this from the employees entitlement. (eg 2 weeks in summer, 1 week at christmas plus 8 bank hols = 23 days, leaving the employee with only 5 floating days across the year).

NB I've oversimplified a little as there are bank hols at christmas, but you get the point...:)