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new job negotiations - salary expectations

in the past i've been asked on salary expectations, generally i've not really given what i am on, but played it in a particular region and added on benefits etc.

a friend has asked if they should play it a bit higher ;-)

i'm guessing a new employer will base it on there.

say if one was on £20k flat (no other benefits), but going for an interview which could potentially be say £30k+car+bonus etc.

would it be better to sell yourself being like mid to high £20ks and bonus on top etc.?

any risk in doing so?
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  • Caffca
    Caffca Posts: 235 Forumite
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    You'd come unstuck if you applied for a job with us - where a salary is negotiated, we will make a conditional offer subject to confirmation of existing salary based on the last two wage slips being produced and satidfactory references. Lie to us, you will be found out (either wage slips or reference) and at best the offer will be reduced or at worst, the offer will be withdrawn / if you are already working for us, you'll be sacked.
  • woody01
    woody01 Posts: 1,918 Forumite
    if you are already working for us, you'll be sacked.
    Rubbish!
    That wouldn't stand up to scrutiny anywhere.
  • p1tse
    p1tse Posts: 980 Forumite
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    Caffca wrote: »
    You'd come unstuck if you applied for a job with us - where a salary is negotiated, we will make a conditional offer subject to confirmation of existing salary based on the last two wage slips being produced and satidfactory references. Lie to us, you will be found out (either wage slips or reference) and at best the offer will be reduced or at worst, the offer will be withdrawn / if you are already working for us, you'll be sacked.


    thanks

    wow, i've never heard of potential employers wanting to see last two pay slips

    but i guess fair enough
  • fitshase
    fitshase Posts: 443 Forumite
    I had an interview a few years ago where the interviewer asked for my current salary. I declined his request stating that I knew I was underpaid for my work and that it should not matter what my current salary is - only that I am more than capable of doing the job applied for and my salary expectation reflects that.

    Your previous salary has absolutely nothing to do with your new company and they have no rights to see pay slips, etc. If you negotiate a salary it is based on your experience, qualifications and ability to do the job applied for.
  • p1tse
    p1tse Posts: 980 Forumite
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    fitshase, well put

    but also they wouldn't be able to find out if you were on no bonus entitlement to 5, 10, 20% etc.
  • terra_ferma
    terra_ferma Posts: 5,484 Forumite
    woody01 wrote: »
    Rubbish!
    That wouldn't stand up to scrutiny anywhere.

    If someone has been with the company for less than a year they have no employment rights, and unless they could prove discrimination there would not be much they could do.

    Also many companies state that lying on the application form could lead to dismissal (and rightly so).
  • woody01
    woody01 Posts: 1,918 Forumite
    If someone has been with the company for less than a year they have no employment rights, and unless they could prove discrimination there would not be much they could do.

    Also many companies state that lying on the application form could lead to dismissal (and rightly so).
    Are you an employer?
    Did you read the thread?

    If so, you would see you are wrong?
  • crackerberry
    crackerberry Posts: 834 Forumite
    It is none of the prospective employers' business what salary a candidate is on. One suggested answer to any salary related questions is to say you would be breaching your employer's rules in respect to confidentiality were you to reveal that information. Would that prospective employer want its competitors to know its salary bands? No, it would not, and would likely not take kindly to finding out its own employees were sharing this info to third parties outside of the workplace.

    They mainly want to know this so they retain the control where salary negotiations are concerned. If they know your current salary they'll try offering only enough of an increase they think they have to. If they have to guess they have to make an offer based on what they think the best candidate for the job is worth and what it'll take to get them.

    Its a cheeky question, and one that they have no right to actually ask.
  • PasturesNew
    PasturesNew Posts: 70,698 Forumite
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    Caffca wrote: »
    You'd come unstuck if you applied for a job with us - where a salary is negotiated, we will make a conditional offer subject to confirmation of existing salary based on the last two wage slips being produced and satidfactory references. Lie to us, you will be found out (either wage slips or reference) and at best the offer will be reduced or at worst, the offer will be withdrawn / if you are already working for us, you'll be sacked.
    I don't see how what salary somebody is paid now is of any real relevance to the job they are applying for. As an example, I have been paid £50k/year for my specialism in the past (when the market was up), £22k for the same specialism in a poor area (when the market had just nose-dived) and then several "take any job" situations where the salary was £16k.

    I therefore don't think it's relevant to disclose your salaries to potential employers. It smacks of a "mill owner attitude" to me.
  • terra_ferma
    terra_ferma Posts: 5,484 Forumite
    woody01 wrote: »
    Are you an employer?
    Did you read the thread?

    If so, you would see you are wrong?

    What do you mean? There is nothing to say that they can't dismiss someone from lying on the application, or that they have employment rights before 12 months unless it's a case of discrimination...?

    I didn't comment about how relevant it is to ask about someone's salary, but only about lying on the application form. These are two different things.
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