Think the unthinkable - let's help the coalition with some blue-skies thinking...

wymondham

JasonLVC wrote: »

Immigration. We cannot stop it from the EU, but we can impose thresholds before benefits can be claimed (and I mean ANY benefits such as council tax, rent, disability benefit, etc).

This would then increase crime as desperate people get desperate to make ends meet.. Much better to stop a person from arriving in the country if you're not prepared for the social consequences and costs.

We can have immigration exactly as we want it, if the political will is there

Alan_Cross

wymondham wrote: »

This would then increase crime as desperate people get desperate to make ends meet.. Much better to stop a person from arriving in the country if you're not prepared for the social consequences and costs.

We can have immigration exactly as we want it, if the political will is there

Translation: leave the EU and throw a couple of million more on the dole.

Rotor

Snooze wrote: »

There's no rocket science needed here. If you haven't got enough income coming in for someone to stay at home and look after the kid and someone else to work a sensible amount of hours to pay for it all, then you shouldn't be having kids. Simples. Why does everyone think that it's the tax-payer's job to subsidise the upbringing of their kids? It's complete BS and needs stopping immediately.

You're mistaken. Have you tried selling your kids. Turns out you don't have title - they belong to the state

Aspiring_Writer

Overall, I think the Tax & Benefits system needs simplifying. Labour, like everything they interfered with, made it all tres confusing and un-necessarily complicated.

Iain Duncan Smith has got the brief and should be allowed to have his way, I think you will be pleasantly surprised...

Aside from Tax and Benefits, I'd like all GATSO camera removed, all those stupid speed humps removed and some sensible speed warning signs to replace them. They have been proven to work on the continent, why are they not used more in the UK? Because they don't generate CASH...Lets hope that changes, but I doubt we can afford that just now.

Repeal or rewrite the Human Rights Act, trash all the useless 'quangos' set up to do doodle squat, basically reverse a lot of the infringements that Labour invoked on our basic right to democracy and freedom of speech that our parents and grandparents fought so bravely for.

Lets have our country back, with British values and way of life respected and upheld, not trashed by illegal immigrants who then use OUR stupid ner do well handwringing Human Rights Act to protect themselves against deportation and/or justice.

Ah, now where's my medication? Nurse?....

P.S No I do not read the Daily Mail, would rather bury my head in a bucket of horse-!!!!!!...

chucky

Snooze wrote: »

There's no rocket science needed here. If you haven't got enough income coming in for someone to stay at home and look after the kid and someone else to work a sensible amount of hours to pay for it all, then you shouldn't be having kids. Simples. Why does everyone think that it's the tax-payer's job to subsidise the upbringing of their kids? It's complete BS and needs stopping immediately.

complete rubbish - life isn't so simple.

it's like saying that if people don't have enough income they should not have kids so they will be able buy a house.

by your logic if you have kids you can't afford to buy your own house for some people. you're advocating people delaying having children so they can buy a home.

it's total nonsense.

carolt

Ooh chucky - well said.

Did I miss the post where you turned into me?

Aspiring_Writer

chucky wrote: »

complete rubbish - life isn't so simple.

it's like saying that if people don't have enough income they should not have kids so they will be able buy a house.

by your logic if you have kids you can't afford to buy your own house for some people. you're advocating people delaying having children so they can buy a home.

it's total nonsense.

No it isn't. Why should the taxpayer, thats me and presumably you, fork out money for benefits for people who think its Ok to have kids because the state will help pay for them?

So yes, you should wait until you are settled, whether thats rented or mortgaged. There was a story recently in my local paper where a very young couple were living in a shed, yes a shed, and she got pregnant! no doubt we are paying for the privilege now, that really annoys me.

You should take responsibility and plan a little. Accidents happen for sure, but we arent talking accidents, we are talking about people deliberately having kids knowing full well the state will pay. Most people with some degree of intelligence and self respect will plan their lives so they can have children when they can afford them, which is never btw, but they put themselves in the best possible position financially before they commit to having kids.

Thats what life planning is about is it not? And I know as well as anyone, life doesnt always go to plan, but you can do what you can..

carolt

What about people who have kids and then find they can't afford them as easily as they hoped? If they lose a job, for example. Should their children suffer as a result?

Difficult issue - not as simple as some would have it.

Aspiring_Writer

Carol I agree, life happens, my point was that people shouldn't be dropping kids expecting the state to pay, and they do. There is an estate on t'other side of town where it is practically a career move for any young girl, get pregnant, get a council flat, get pregnant again( different father, natch) and again, til yoiu upgraded to a house and hey presto, no need to work ever again.

These 'people' need to be 'discouraged' ...

carolt

Couldn't agree more with that.