Cooking oil Used as Diesel!

newleaf

stamford wrote:

This was posted on the Lidl/Aldi thread

Seen in Lidl car park this morning, an old bloke cheerfully (and blatantly) filling up his diesel car with several bottles of cheap cooking oil! I knew you could run a diesel car on cooking oil, but it is classed as tax evasion if you don't declare it and pay duty, so I was gobsmacked (but rather impressed) to see this chappie in the act today

Yes, it was posted by me, and I really did see it happening. Your point is?

moggins

As far as I remember from the It's Not Easy Being Green programme it was taxable but at a highly reduced rate and it was down to the person being honest and declaring it properly.

It worked out a lot cheaper if you used old oil from a chippie too

newleaf

Lidl cooking oil is very cheap, certainly a lot cheaper than diesel. Yes it is taxable if used as fuel, I don't know the rate, but you are right it is down to the individual to declare it and pay the duty. I wonder how many do?

stamford

newleaf wrote:

Yes, it was posted by me, and I really did see it happening. Your point is?

Was just curious and wondered if any modifications were needed did it smell like a fry up when he drove off ?

jellycat40

yes it does smell like a chippie but it is worth it as the tax is now finalised at 27p per litre.

Louise

newleaf

He was mixing it with a small amount of something from a 5 litre container. (My hubby says you have to mix it with an 'additive' or a small amount of diesel to make it combust properly). I was dying to go over and ask him about it (I've got a diesel car myself!) If he's there again next Sunday I might pluck up the nerve. I've done a google search about this myself in the past and there's quite a lot of info on the net. I believe the smell is one of the things that can alert the authorities to the tax avoidance!

cpjackso

jellycat40 wrote:

yes it does smell like a chippie but it is worth it as the tax is now finalised at 27p per litre.

There are a few arguments between C&E as to whether SVO (straight veg oil) is a bio-diesel or not. C&E say not - they're trying to tax at 47p a litre and a few have been hit with big tax bills as they've been paying the lower rate. People are arguing etc.

stamford wrote:

Was just curious and wondered if any modifications were needed did it smell like a fry up when he drove off ?

Basically there are two types of fuel you could consider running a diesel car on - SVO or Biodiesel.

Biodiesel should run fine on any modern diesel engine with no modifications, you can home-brew it from WVO (waste veg oil, eg. from chip shop) or you can buy it at a small number of petrol stations. Home brewing recipes are available on the internet.

SVO runs okay on most cars - however you should be aware that it's a lot thicker than diesel so might mean it's more difficult to start your car, especially on a cold day... Don't try SVO if you have a lucas fuel pump - they can handle the thickness, Bosch is good tho. Most people use a mixture of SVO and diesel - I've heard a 20% SVO mix works well and is unnoticeable. Some people are mixing the SVO with white spirit or petrol [yes - petrol] to thin the SVO.

Most people report that running SVO/biodiesel gives you more power, and less engine clatter. This seems to be because they are better lubricants than diesel.

Here's an interesting article written by a tuning company that trialled bio-diesel in their cars.

Biodiesel is usually priced 10p a litre cheaper than diesel. Here's a list of biodiesel outlets - NO I'm not associated with any;

http://www.rixbiodiesel.co.uk/
http://www.ecobiodiesel.co.uk
http://www.biodieselfillingstations.co.uk/alloutlets.htm

HTH.

stamford

cpjackso wrote:

There are a few arguments between C&E as to whether SVO (straight veg oil) is a bio-diesel or not. C&E say not - they're trying to tax at 47p a litre and a few have been hit with big tax bills as they've been paying the lower rate. People are arguing etc.



Basically there are two types of fuel you could consider running a diesel car on - SVO or Biodiesel.

Biodiesel should run fine on any modern diesel engine with no modifications, you can home-brew it from WVO (waste veg oil, eg. from chip shop) or you can buy it at a small number of petrol stations. Home brewing recipes are available on the internet.

SVO runs okay on some cars - however you should be aware that it's a lot thicker than diesel so might mean it's more difficult to start your car, especially on a cold day... Don't run on SVO if you have a lucas fuel pump (Bosch == Good). Also - it could coke up your injectors, therefore most people use a mixture of SVO and diesel - I've heard a 20% mix works well.

Most people report that running SVO/biodiesel gives you more power, and less engine clatter. This seems to be because they are better lubricants than diesel.

Biodiesel is usually priced 10p a litre cheaper than diesel. Here's a list of biodiesel outlets - NO I'm not associated with any;

http://www.rixbiodiesel.co.uk/
http://www.ecobiodiesel.co.uk
http://www.biodieselfillingstations.co.uk/alloutlets.htm

HTH.

BAH :mad: none near me and it looks like Citroen say I can stick 30% in

cpjackso

stamford wrote:

BAH :mad: none near me and it looks like Citroen say I can stick 30% in

Most cars from France/Germany etc. are rated for a small percentage of biodiesel as those countries actually put it in their proper diesel (5% mix).

The ratings for the cars really only mean what the manufacturer will cover under the cars warranty, all new cars (since 1997 I think??) should be fine for a 100% mix.

newleaf

Great, there's one near me!