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Hung parliaament - phew

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  • Bullfighter
    Bullfighter Posts: 414 Forumite
    macaque wrote: »
    We have suffered [STRIKE]strong [/STRIKE] BIG goverment for 12 years. They have ransacked our industies, fostered corruption in the city, filled our streets with cameras, turned our schools into indoctrination centres, started wars, flooded our borders with millions of immigrants, created thousands of new laws etc.

    Strong is the wrong word. We have been experiencing Statism for the past 13 years. Big government, lack of personal responsibility and corruption.

    Smaller government was not offered by the Blues, Reds or Yellows. Mixing the colours up won't give us that either.

    Democracy is the problem.
  • carolt
    carolt Posts: 8,531 Forumite
    Strong is the wrong word. We have been experiencing Statism for the past 13 years. Big government, lack of personal responsibility and corruption.

    Smaller government was not offered by the Blues, Reds or Yellows. Mixing the colours up won't give us that either.

    Democracy is the problem.

    :eek:

    You're one scary guy.

    What would you prefer? Dictatorship? :eek::eek:
  • Bullfighter
    Bullfighter Posts: 414 Forumite
    :D
    carolt wrote: »
    :eek:

    You're one scary guy.

    What would you prefer? Dictatorship? :eek::eek:

    Democracy is tyranny of the masses. When 51% of the country is either working for the state or being directly supported by it then how can regime change occur?

    Democracy promotes short-termism and populist policies. "Promise me lower taxes and better services and to hell with everyone else (including my kids)"

    Maybe we should consider a Republic?
  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
    HAMISH_MCTAVISH Posts: 28,592 Forumite
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    Whatever he decides, he's going to lose.

    Perhaps so.

    Both socially and economically, the Tories are centre right. The Lib Dems and Labour are centre left.

    If you look at the total votes, around one third of voters want a centre right government.

    Around two thirds of voters want a centre left government.

    The Tories and the Liberals are both far more libertarian than authoritarian. Labour is more authoritarian than libertarian.

    So two thirds of voters also want a more libertarian than authoritarian government moving forwards.

    But if I had to bet on voter priorities, social and economic policy would trump civil liberty concerns.....

    A tory/Lib pact would be doomed to disaster within a year.

    A Lab/Lib pact may just survive a full term.

    A minority government wouldn't last 6 months.

    Interesting times.....
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • baby_boomer
    baby_boomer Posts: 3,883 Forumite
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    Maybe we should consider a Republic?

    A republic would be democratic - so no change there.
  • carolt
    carolt Posts: 8,531 Forumite
    :D

    Democracy is tyranny of the masses. When 51% of the country is either working for the state or being directly supported by it then how can regime change occur?

    Democracy promotes short-termism and populist policies. "Promise me lower taxes and better services and to hell with everyone else (including my kids)"

    Maybe we should consider a Republic?

    Not clear what you mean - no reason to assume a republic is anything other than democratic - look at France or Ireland, say.

    Don't see how getting rid of the Queen will make a whole heap of difference, TBH.
  • Wookster
    Wookster Posts: 3,795 Forumite
    I'm hoping the Torys will make the Liberals more pragmatic, and that the Liberals will make the Tories a bit more nice.

    Maybe then we'll have a mostly sensible government.
  • carolt
    carolt Posts: 8,531 Forumite
    Well said, Wookster - my feelings exactly.
  • Bullfighter
    Bullfighter Posts: 414 Forumite
    carolt wrote: »
    Not clear what you mean - no reason to assume a republic is anything other than democratic - look at France or Ireland, say.

    Don't see how getting rid of the Queen will make a whole heap of difference, TBH.

    Nothing to do with the Monarchy.

    A direct Democracy is rule by Omnipotent Majority, a Republic is rule by Law, with the intention to strictly control The Majority.

    It's true that no form of government would solve all our issues, however our current fiscal problems are compounded by poor, X Factor style policies that arise from Democracy.
  • Bullfighter
    Bullfighter Posts: 414 Forumite
    Wookster wrote: »
    I'm hoping the Torys will make the Liberals more pragmatic, and that the Liberals will make the Tories a bit more nice.

    Maybe then we'll have a mostly sensible government.

    The truth is whoever is in charge is going to have to make £50bn in cuts this year. Nice it won't be.
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