What would you do?

CarineG

DVardysShadow wrote: »

Asking for a salary match rarely works long term. If you go out looking and you are offered more, then base your decision on the salary you have on the morning you get the offer. Because they will only resent having to do a salary match and will work hard to get it back over the next year or 2.

what about having your salary undervalued for many years, this would need to be taken into consideration too, no?

Boozer

Well i have been with my company for 9 years and get paid X amount of money, supposedly past a certain grade we are all equal, but i know my friend is getting x plus 30%, but it does not bother me as i signed a contract for this amount of money, if someone else has managed to get a better deal then good on them, nobody is holding a gun to my head to make me stay here.

Saying that i also resigned a couple of years ago and ended up getting 40% payrise to stay, but you have to be willing to leave to try and get some leverage with your current company.

CarineG

Boozer wrote: »

Well i have been with my company for 9 years and get paid X amount of money, supposedly past a certain grade we are all equal, but i know my friend is getting x plus 30%, but it does not bother me as i signed a contract for this amount of money, if someone else has managed to get a better deal then good on them, nobody is holding a gun to my head to make me stay here.

Saying that i also resigned a couple of years ago and ended up getting 40% payrise to stay, but you have to be willing to leave to try and get some leverage with your current company.

I also quit my job a few years ago because I was bored. They couldn't believe I was leaving when I had no other job lined up.
They offered me £6000 pay rise to stay which I did not expect.
The job was still boring but I had no more reasons to complain

It's more about having your efforts/skills recognised as opposed to asking for a payrise for the sake of it. You may be okay with X salary but if you have been working hard it would be right to expect something extra.
You want your work to be valued.

realshannon

I have just been on the payscale site and its american so I am not sure this is very helpful, in fact, it couldnt match my job at all. I agree tactically, if you can have a job offer on the table for the salary you want, that would be the best time to negotiate further. I dont actually think the employers offer is that bad, better than a slap in the belly with a wet fish! There is always someone willing to jump in your shoes if you go so no one is indispensable. I lodged a grievance a while ago after many months of putting up with extra work and nothing being done, I cover 3 full time posts and mine on part time hours (my preference due to health issues). I cover the work easily but I am on the lowest pay scale within the company BUT despite not liking that, and having alot of debt like you, the climate is such that a good job is worth hanging onto. Think about what other benefits you get? if you are happy, it is worth its weight in gold. I really enjoy my job and I know there are genuine financial restrictions but through the grievance I was moved up the pay scale to the highest point, which gained me 2 years on the scale. Its still not brilliant but, think if it bothers you that much, and makes you unhappy, leave, otherwise try and accept it and in the long term you may end up in a better job with the same company - hope this helps and good luck

getmore4less

What do you actualy do though that can make a msive difference to the salary.


If just an IT support/MIS type stuff then that is the low level,

Do you get involved in infratructure stratagy, any develpment of systems

The problem with general IT support/MIS is that a lot of people can do it at the junior/mid level and it is reflected in the low pay in the £20-£30k bracket.

Sector also makes a big difference to level of wages.
Which sector?

broke=skint

Arghhh, I'm even more confused now.
I do enjoy my job, infact I would say I have a good time at work and if I wasn't in debt this whole money thing wouldn't be an issue even though I don't get any added benefits.
But in the real world it is an issue and if I was being paid what I thought was right, I would be debt free in 2 years!

By the way I got it wrong, its not payscale, its http://www.paywizard.co.uk/main .

I don't care what other people in my company earn, they could be on £50k and I wouldn't go in demanding the same wage, I just would like to feel appreciated and I don't think asking for the going rate is too much too ask.

So I have 2 options, apply for jobs and confront them if I get an offer worth leaving for or shut up and put up, and if I deserve it I may get there eventually?

My manager said he would give me an update on Tuesday, I suppose I should see what he says and base my decision on that.

broke=skint

getmore4less wrote: »

What do you actualy do though that can make a msive difference to the salary.


If just an IT support/MIS type stuff then that is the low level,

Do you get involved in infratructure stratagy, any develpment of systems

The problem with general IT support/MIS is that a lot of people can do it at the junior/mid level and it is reflected in the low pay in the £20-£30k bracket.

Sector also makes a big difference to level of wages.
Which sector?

My role varies drastically everyday, tomorrow I could be rebuilding a crashed PC, the day after I could be rebuilding a crashed network.
I don't have a title as such so I have nothing to stick to, I do what ever is priority.

DVardysShadow

CarineG wrote: »

what about having your salary undervalued for many years, this would need to be taken into consideration too, no?

Agree. In the sense that it makes the hurdle even higher for the current employer to jump to retain the employee with a better job offer.

broke=skint

DVardysShadow wrote: »

Agree. In the sense that it makes the hurdle even higher for the current employer to jump to retain the employee with a better job offer.

I think that would apply to anyone with enough guts to go down that route but I don't think I'll be pushing my luck that much! I will be very happy if they give me a nice rise starting from my next pay slip :rotfl:

paulwf

broke=skint wrote: »

Thanks for opening up my eyes, I sometimes forget they are running a business and feelings don't come in to it.
I'm glad you agree £1500 isnt much, I was thinking maybe I was being greedy or childish but it does hurt when they offer a figure which barely meets inflation, they seem to have forgotten all of the overtime I have put in without claiming for it, all becase I have the companies best interests at heart, maybe I should start thinking about myself the next time I'm still working at 10.00pm for them.

The pay rise they have offered is a 14% increase on your current salary...saying it barely covers inflation is unfair, that's a very reasonable pay offer. Bear in mind the state of the economy, a complete freeze on public sector pay is looking likely after the election.

You should either claim for overtime or keep it to a minimum...you can't really complain about that, do something about it.

Remember that there are a heck of a lot of unemployed people in the IT industry right now and although you're pay isn't amazing it's better than a lot of people who are on minimum wage which is around £12K.

I think a lot of it boils down to you wanting to be debt free which isn't really fair to blame on the company. If you think a company car will save you money then that could be something to aim for as it might be seen as separate to a pay rise...as in my previous post try and arrange a 1-2 year pay strategy but you could also drop in a company car as well. By all means apply for the £24K job but consider that if you really like your current company and they are financially stable it might not be worth jumping ship for a £1.5K difference.