'Should we starve the jobless back to work?' poll discussion

madmuppet5

jesterslad wrote: »

please let me know where in Oldham and surrounding areas there are housing for £50 a week I wish,, sorry about the last one, I have now looked while typing lol

Is there anywhere in the country you can get housing for £50? I think the question was written by someone still living in the eighties! Housing benefit and JSA are paid seperately (apologies if this has already been posted). People pay national insurance to cover their and others unemployment so I'd not have a problem with claimimg it. However, due to my fondness of beer I like to be employed :rotfl:

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Cerisa

Hi 'Educating Myself' neither housing benefit nor council tax are automatically given to you, you have to apply separately.

Cerisa

James, wealth is entirely in the eye of the beholder. To some, someone earning £12,000 is rich. My parents and my cousin's parents were expected to contribute the same amount to our university fees, despite my uncle being a senior partner in a law firm and my auntie a teacher in a private school, and both my parents working for local government. It's ridiculous. The difference in their income is phenomenal. #

However most parents will find a way to pay for their kids to go to university if they possibilty can. But they shouldn't have to. The state should provide equal, decent education to all, so that merit is more important than wealth and connections. If that were the case, Britain would be a much better place.

Cerisa

"Also, in reference to many of the previous posts, nobody seems to be differentiating between lay-abouts that play the system and people that genuinely want to work and are trying to find a job but can't. Many of the dissagreements would be moot if you did."

I've made that distinction. So has marko, ceridwen, chocolady, coupleuk, yellowduck.... etc.

for god's sake, even if someone does play the system, surely they are the ones being played. It's much better to to a job and all the things that go with it; you can socialise, dress up, have the satisfaction of a job well done, enjoy the status, self respect and purpose as well as the money, rather than settle into a miserable groove, watching your house get shabbier and your clothes decay, having to compromise your pride and dreams, having everything be, feel, taste and stay cheap cheap cheap. Getting depressed and angry as you apply for at least five jobs a day, with companies that don't even offer you the courtesy of a rejection email.

Don't pronouce on things you don't understand James. :mad:

forgotmyname

I love the way people have different views on these situations.

Except for a few weeks or a month or so here & there i have always worked & enjoyed my last job especially, sadly i had to quit, They could no longer hold my position open as i could not give them an answer to would i be able to return or not.
I get incapacity benefit at a slightly higher rate, But not enough to live on so that is topped up by income support, I get a low rate disability £14, due to extra expenses/care need.

Just got some forms from them i presume to attend an interview to assess me for work? Should be interesting,
When they ask me if i can work can i ask them why does an operation on the NHS cost £15,000+ and they dont want to waste it if there is only 50% at best it will make my situation better?
People keep telling me i should be able to get help with this and that, I WANT TO GET BETTER. Out of work my debts mounted, wont go into that here.
Like to see them find me a job where i need to be able to keep swapping from sitting to standing and walking around, And extended toilet breaks without warning. Maybe i could interview claimants?

What bugs me are the people that abuse the system, Show in TV fiddles? One woman claimed about a dozen times from properties she owned, and a couple who had a big posh house & expensive new cars yet had not worked for many years & claimed benefits, they followed him to a sales showroom to buy a new house, She was subletting a house in london where she claimed seperately.

ceridwen

Cerisa wrote: »

"Also, in reference to many of the previous posts, nobody seems to be differentiating between lay-abouts that play the system and people that genuinely want to work and are trying to find a job but can't. Many of the dissagreements would be moot if you did."

I've made that distinction. So has marko, ceridwen, chocolady, coupleuk, yellowduck.... etc.

for god's sake, even if someone does play the system, surely they are the ones being played. It's much better to to a job and all the things that go with it; you can socialise, dress up, have the satisfaction of a job well done, enjoy the status, self respect and purpose as well as the money, rather than settle into a miserable groove, watching your house get shabbier and your clothes decay, having to compromise your pride and dreams, having everything be, feel, taste and stay cheap cheap cheap. Getting depressed and angry as you apply for at least five jobs a day, with companies that don't even offer you the courtesy of a rejection email.

Don't pronouce on things you don't understand James. :mad:

Agree - but I so wish I could describe my job that way:rotfl::rotfl:Its done for the money - pure and simple. The money is rather more than the current level of benefit = I do it.

That is the thing - that single people get such a low level of benefit currently even that it would take a combination of VERY low pay and VERY high rent/mortgage before we would be worse off in work. So we work - ALREADY - regardless of what we think of our jobs.

The Government always needs to remember that single people need more (quite a bit more...!) to live on per person than married people or members of a family (having to pay the accommodation costs and bills all on our own for a start.......that central heating cost is exactly the same as it would be if I were sharing it with a whole family...:mad:).

rickbonar

No one has asked why nothing is said about people that spend all day in pubs drinking and smoking and gambling themselves silly with benefits money?

ceridwen

rickbonar wrote: »

No one has asked why nothing is said about people that spend all day in pubs drinking and smoking and gambling themselves silly with benefits money?

Because to be in a receipt of a level of benefit that would allow for spare money for that sort of thing one would have to have quite a few children (ie to get all those extra benefits that are payable for having children).

Someone with no children or the standard number (ie 1 or 2) would be lucky if they could find enough money spare to afford one cheap pint of beer a week in a "dive" of a pub.

rickbonar

I think they must have the Hazel Blears factor!

rickbonar

I think they must have the Hazel Blears factor

Ducking the duckhouses LOOK at Ed Balls too.:mad::eek::beer: