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Cleggover/'Call me Dave' Dave - get a room!
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It's not impossible; Mr MacDonald led a National Government in peacetime in the 1930s and Mr Brown has talked in the past of a 'Government of all the talents' or something similar.
Tactically it makes long term sense for the 2 main parties to retain the electoral system that has served them well for 100 years.
I just don't see it really. Where's Sir Humphrey when you need him?
FWIW, Betfair have no overall majority as odds-on favourite with the Tories at 5-1 on (bet £1 to return £1.20) to be largest party.
I like the odds on a +75% turnout better with all the interest generated by the debates and the increase in the LibDem share (including new voters) of the polls, and
Oh Teddy, Teddy
'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
barrymoney wrote: »Ha, yeah
. On some policies its probably true (trident).
If libdems look like flip-flopping between the other 2 parties it might focus voters on choosing one of labour/tory. Could be a good tactic for lab/tory - squeeze libdems out for the final week. Suggest they 'arent ready to govern' or something.
I meant an actual tie up after the election.'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
Actually if this means that all those working class northerners that have done nothing but vote Labour all their lives and moan for years on end then bring it on. We'll never have a socialist government again.
Have we ever had one ?."An arrogant and self-righteous Guardian reading tvv@t".
!!!!!! is all that about?0 -
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or................ if the tories don't win this election... how many elections and how many years is it that they've been out of office...
it could be the tories that are politically dead...
It will be like Liverpool, 'we will definitely win the league this year' 'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
Where's Sir Humphrey when you need him?
I am being a bit careful as I am in election purdah at the moment. My opinions stated here are always personal but I am conscious of it appearing otherwise. So I will try to be objective here.
I haven't a clue what the Lib Dems will do. By no means are all of them muesli-knitters, particularly up North. Clegg isn't either.
FPTP does benefit both Labour and the Tories. The advantage to Labour in the current system would exist in most constituency based systems, as it is a mainly a function of the margin of victories in those constituencies rather than poorly drawn boundaries. In the past, the Tories have benefitted. Perhaps Cameron thinks it may again benefit them in future. Or perhaps resistance to change (which is what conservatism is) is trumping self-interest for them? Some Tories need to face the fact that a "back to the Victoria-Era Party" is never going to win another election under FPTP. The old-timers who hanker for that are (literally) dying out.
The Lib-Dems have a problem here. They need to persuade people that they will not prop up Brown (as that would peel votes off to the Tories) and that will not end up just like Cameron (which would peel votes back to Labour). This is the situation that critics of Proportional Representation make about that system. The trouble for First Past The Post defenders is that this situation has arisen under their beloved system.
If PR did come to be, then I do not think that any of the three large parties would survive in their current form. I would expect the Tories to split into a Thatcherite party and a One-Nation party. Labour could split into a Trade Union/Labourist party, a Blairite party and a Social Democratic party. The Lib Dems would like split into Liberals and Social Democrats. Some of those groups could end up teaming up (e.g. Blairites joining up with One-Nationers, the Thatcherites could team up with UKIP).
As for Clegg doing a deal with the Tories. I would not trust Cameron to follow through with a promise for a PR referendum if I were Clegg. Clegg has no reason to like the Labour Party (although Cable as an ex-member may well do so).
One other thing; no-one has been looking at Brighton Pavilion it seems. I think there could be a fair chance of Britain's first Green Party MP there.Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists of choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable. J. K. Galbraith0 -
Sir_Humphrey wrote: »
One other thing; no-one has been looking at Brighton Pavilion it seems. I think there could be a fair chance of Britain's first Green Party MP there.
Odds on on Betfair, I would have thought that would have been a potential LibDem seat 'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
Odds on on Betfair, I would have thought that would have been a potential LibDem seat
If they had not come in fourth last time. The Tories were barely ahead of the Greens last time, and I can't imagine that Chris Grayling's "B&B gaffe" will have gone down too well in that part of the country...
Assuming a swing against Labour (which could well go to the Greens), and some Tories peeling off to the Lib-Dems then the Greens could well sneak up the middle, although I wouldn't put money on it.Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists of choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable. J. K. Galbraith0 -
or................ if the tories don't win this election... how many elections and how many years is it that they've been out of office...
it could be the tories that are politically dead...
I think the Tory party may well ne finished, and kind of spilit into 2.
Ser Umpfry's split is along the lines of a one nation party and another party further to the right.
It could well be the old 'Europe' word that would split the Tories, with Ken Clarke leading the 'pro-Europe party' and the likes of Hague leading an anti Europe party no doubt inviting UKIP'ers back into the fold."An arrogant and self-righteous Guardian reading tvv@t".
!!!!!! is all that about?0 -
Clegg cosying up to the Tories..?
Quelle surprise.
Why does this piece of non-news even rate a thread? They are such natural bedfellows...0
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