Benefits total disregard - hooray

RedSky

But if the Government do not put in place benefits that give additional income to lone parents then they are not reducing child poverty.

What is the priority, incentive to work or reduce child poverty? Or which one will win the most public votes?

Loopy_Girl

Is there such a thing as child poverty in the UK? Personally I say no.

If any child is living in poverty then that is the doing of the parents not using the money they have wisely...so throwing more money at them to be used unwisely is just madness.

crazycrazy

RedSky wrote: »

But if the Government do not put in place benefits that give additional income to lone parents then they are not reducing child poverty.

What is the priority, incentive to work or reduce child poverty? Or which one will win the most public votes?

there is a difference between keeping a child out of poverty and living the life of riley.

my case shows up in BIG NEON writing that the childs needs are not considered.

my x effectively would have more money then myself plus not have to pay dental, scripts etc, but i cant make a claim off her because although she has more money than me she has non!!!!!!!

kelloggs36

RedSky wrote: »

Not sure I would call it a mistake to work and provide for your family but I would regard it a mistake to think other taxpayers are responsible to support your family, regardless of which method brings in the most money.

But that only applies to those with morals. I can absolutely see the temptation in splitting up to be better off as a single parent - this country's government's policies have positively encouraged single parent families to the detriment of the traditional two parent family. How can it be right that a two parent family is so much worse off than a single parent family? The temptation is too great for some and to be honest, who is more stupid, those who work their socks of for no gain, or those who can get more for doing less????

RedSky

crazycrazy wrote: »

there is a difference between keeping a child out of poverty and living the life of riley.

I expect the Government will achieve more credit and praise from reducing child poverty and giving every child a good start in life opposed to the negative side effect of increasing benefit dependant lone parents.

RedSky

kelloggs36 wrote: »

But that only applies to those with morals. I can absolutely see the temptation in splitting up to be better off as a single parent - this country's government's policies have positively encouraged single parent families to the detriment of the traditional two parent family. How can it be right that a two parent family is so much worse off than a single parent family? The temptation is too great for some and to be honest, who is more stupid, those who work their socks of for no gain, or those who can get more for doing less????

Who is more stupid between the PWC that gives up work to increase household income or the NRP that reduces CSA payments to increase household income? Both are essentially doing the same yet when the taxpayer is the victim people view it as more acceptable.

missmontana

Loopy_Girl wrote: »

When I was on IS the main drive to get back to work was financial...I could have lots of nice things again...but in the example you give for your ex (and many others) then where is the incentive to get back to work? Absolutely fook all...normally you sit with a lone parent advisor and they show you how much better off you will be when working but I would guess there will be tons that are better sitting at home.

It's a mad mad mad idea:cool:

I guess it all depends on how many children you have and how much CM you get. Some are still going to be better off going to work and the CM will be a financial "cushion".

moomoomama27

Loopy_Girl wrote: »

Is there such a thing as child poverty in the UK? Personally I say no.

If any child is living in poverty then that is the doing of the parents not using the money they have wisely...so throwing more money at them to be used unwisely is just madness.

Totally agree! It's the single parents on benefits who are making bad choices with their money, like taking out ridiculous loans with which they have to use half their weekly income to pay back because of the interest rates, or the ones who spend on catalogues, and have to repay large weekly amounts!

The government have decided a rate of benefit which is survivable on, but poor choices by the parents have a detrimental effect on the child, nothing else, if they used the money for what it was intended for, supporting their child, then there would be no child poverty! A struggle (which IMHO it should be, as an incentive to get off benefits), but not poverty!

sulkisu

Loopy_Girl wrote: »

Is there such a thing as child poverty in the UK? Personally I say no.

I agree. Even children from the poorest families in the UK, are entitled to free education, health care, school meals and will have a roof over their head - even if the home is a run down estate somewhere.

Besides, 'poverty' often runs through families from generation to generation - welfare dependent, jobless parents raising children who grow up to be welfare dependent jobless parents...raising children......welfare dependent....etc, etc. The answer is not to make a life on benefits more lucrative, it is to create a system where it pays more to have a job than not.

RedSky

Perhaps the taxpayer of the future will appreciate certain pains experienced by some NRPs of the past. CM assessments are percentage based on an NRPs income so if a child resides in a high income household the CM rules from the CSA will increase that income further, to beyond what some may view as reasonable, at a painful cost to both the NRP and taxpayer.

From the CSA facts and figures page, for every £1 received by a PWC it will now cost the NRP £1 and the taxpayer more than 50p to administer.