Tory manifesto proposes measures to boost house prices

Really2

robin_banks wrote: »

I did say "in years to come". I got the catholic version of sex education at 11 fwiw, some parents kicked off like stink as well.

I'm unconvinced that parents will have the knowledge to make an informed decision re the running of the school.

Sorry missed that bit:o.

It does not have to be parents but I am sure many head teachers, lecturers, heads of business etc may be parents why would they be bad? Or are all people who run school not parents?

I think you are a bit naive if you think they are going to let Dave the cleaner take over the running of the school if they have no prior knowlage, plan, and track record in the industry to make it work.

As I said don't do the Human reaction, I don't understand = Bad. Look in to it.
I gave you ideas there already many examples out their currently running and usually performing a lot better than they did.

robin_banks

Really2 wrote: »

Thats a house, perhaps it is a better option for some the further you move away from the south.
Valuation may be £10K+ more than you could buy direct for but then it is a fair amount cheaper anyway.
To finance the other half you would be looking about £500PM, so it is cheaper.
Can't be sure it is a good option but a lot easier for a single person to do than buy outright.

You may well be right, the SO situation with flats in London is madness.

ninky_2

Really2 wrote: »

It is not about building new schools it is about taking over ones due to close or that are failing.
Why do you think that is a bad thing.

Do you honestly think they will let them do that without a plan and proof it can work.
What as anyone got to gain from taking over the running of a poorly performing school than perhaps a better education for their children.
Why would anyone want to oppose that? or is it a worry that the local council can't cream off some of the funds?

have they dropped this policy then?

http://www.publicservice.co.uk/news_story.asp?id=12097

Although the Conservatives have said they want to promote localism and allow councils to make their own decisions about house building and commercial developments, this policy appeared to put schools under the heading of major infrastructure projects, which would be decided on by central government.

The Tories reckon the idea is that by taking this power away from local authorities, there would be more opportunities for parents and non-profit making organisations to create independent schools away from the influence of councils. In effect, anyone would be free to turn any building into a school without having to apply for planning permission. And should a school close, the land couldn't be used for anything else without the Schools Secretary's permission.

Really2

ninky wrote: »

have they dropped this policy then?

http://www.publicservice.co.uk/news_story.asp?id=12097

Although the Conservatives have said they want to promote localism and allow councils to make their own decisions about house building and commercial developments, this policy appeared to put schools under the heading of major infrastructure projects, which would be decided on by central government.

The Tories reckon the idea is that by taking this power away from local authorities, there would be more opportunities for parents and non-profit making organisations to create independent schools away from the influence of councils. In effect, anyone would be free to turn any building into a school without having to apply for planning permission. And should a school close, the land couldn't be used for anything else without the Schools Secretary's permission.

I hate to point it out but who is going to send their child to a school operated in a tent by someone they don't know.

Some are either being stupid or pretending to be stupid. At the moment it is hard to see with such sensationalist tripe being posted.

All I see this as is that they will encourage poorer schools to go down the academy route, not the kind of situation you seem keen to put above.

I have no axe to grind on this but some councils are forcing schools to go down the BSF route and threatening them with costing other schools money if they do not.

A lot of schools soon will have no free budgets and will be externally managed for 5 years under BSF. Care to answer how that is good and fair for all?
Why not give school a choice instead of forcing them down one route.

If you are in LG I understand why you are like you are as you know they cream off funds, those funds are needed to keep some in a job.
But I think tough if you are giving schools budgets etc let them be in control of spending it and what they do.

ninky_2

Really2 wrote: »

I have no axe to grind on this but some councils are forcing schools to go down the BSF route and threatening them with costing other schools money if they do not.

A lot of schools soon will have no free budgets and will be externally managed for 5 years under BSF. Care to answer how that is good and fair for all?
Why not give school a choice instead of forcing them down one route.

all schools should be the same imho therefore i don't see the problem with forcing them down one route or externally managing them.

you talk of the 'school' as if it had a mind of its own. but what do you really mean by the 'school'? the teachers, the parents, the children, the wider community, future parents, future employers of the pupils? all of these have an interest in how the school runs. it is paid for by public money and therefore should serve the public.

nembot

Thankfully for us all, the people most entitled to these ridiculous bribes are bone idle lazy barstewards, who wouldn't get off the couch unless it was for a fag or can of cheap lager.

Don't think we'll see many of them in polling stations.

[just to clarify, i'm referring to the stereotypes only]

It is a shocking thought though, why the hell can't they do something that deserves the moral vote instead of essentially dangling carrots to the nation.

Sack them all, put a group of businessmen and women in place - pay them whatever is necessary.

We'd be in a much better place now.

lostinrates

ninky wrote: »

all schools should be the same imho therefore i don't see the problem with forcing them down one route or externally managing them.

you talk of the 'school' as if it had a mind of its own. but what do you really mean by the 'school'? the teachers, the parents, the children, the wider community, future parents, future employers of the pupils? all of these have an interest in how the school runs. it is paid for by public money and therefore should serve the public.

why should all schools be the same when all children are different? People have different skills and talents, strengths and weaknesses. IMO all children should have access to an education system which can best cater to their needs, which is not the same as all schools being the same, I think. I'm not a parent though...

Cleaver

lostinrates wrote: »

why should all schools be the same when all children are different? People have different skills and talents, strengths and weaknesses. IMO all children should have access to an education system which can best cater to their needs, which is not the same as all schools being the same, I think. I'm not a parent though...

Indeed. The worst kind of equality is when everyone is treated the same. It might mean that everyone is 'equal' but it might not suit anyone.

Really2

Why is it when ever I get involved in a debate with a labour supporter on here I feel like I am talking to someone in an abusive relationship.

They Control you, have spent your money, got you in debt, cheated on you, lied to keep you yet no matter how much it is shown to them they dig their heels in hope that one day they will change and that they are "the only one" for them.

sjaypink

Really2 wrote: »

Why is it when ever I get involved in a debate with a labour supporter on here I feel like I am talking to someone in an abusive relationship.

They Control you, have spent your money, got you in debt, cheated on you, lied to keep you yet no matter how much it is shown to them they dig their heels in hope that one day they will change and that they are "the only one" for them.

But they are a very good shag ..........? :cool:

......... I've been in this house 5 years now. And as far as the HA are concerned I've behaved ......... how much would I sell my soul for? IRO £15k, possibly :A