grievance hearing, who to take

pelirocco

You can only take in another employee or a union rep , notes will be taken and you have the right to see them ( and disagree with them if you feel its not a fair reflection of the meeting )

viktory

pinkshoes wrote: »

I would also advise recording the dialogue then scripting it afterwards

A good idea, but the OP needs to know that recordings made at grievance hearings are not admissable at an employment tribunal, should it go that far.

Uncertain

viktory wrote: »

A good idea, but the OP needs to know that recordings made at grievance hearings are not admissable at an employment tribunal, should it go that far.

This is totally wrong!

They have been allowed (confirmed by an appeal). Look at XXXXX v Amwell School for an example!

It is up to the tribunal to decide what is acceptable evidence.

viktory

Uncertain wrote: »

This is totally wrong!

They have been allowed (confirmed by an appeal). Look at XXXXX v Amwell School for an example!

It is up to the tribunal to decide what is acceptable evidence.

LOL, calm down! This was advice I received from ACAS. You are disputing everthing ACAS has told me in more than one post, so in future I think I'll take your number and call you for advice - I am assuming you are qualified?

Uncertain

viktory wrote: »

LOL, calm down! This was advice I received from ACAS. You are disputing everthing ACAS has told me in more than one post, so in future I think I'll take your number and call you for advice - I am assuming you are qualified?

If you don't believe me look it up on Google!

The entire appeal judgement is available on line so you can read it for yourself.

I can't comment on what a individual ACAS advisor may have told you about your particular set of circumstances.

The case I refer to is well know in respect of the tape recording issue.

Equally I was not disputing what they may have told you in your previous post. What I said was "Obviously I don't know the details of your case and this may well have been good advice for you. However, as you phrase it here, this is a sweeping generalisation." - which is quite different.

On the specific tape recording point (if it is still relevant to your case) I would suggest you go back to them and ask for clarification in case there has been a misunderstanding.

missprice

i am really hoping this wont end up at a ET just because of the stress this grievance is giving me, could not cope at a tribunal

so basicallly this time round i cannot take anyone

fantastic, just made my day,

so how do i alone go in and not cry or walk out and still get through all the points in the grievance?

many thanks for advice and comments

Dick_Van_Dyke

I wonder if you are overlooking something here

My suggestion would be to ask what the current employee did wrong and ask if he ammends this behaviour if he can still attend.

Remember this person is not a representative and should do nothing above observe and take notes. If this person went into "argue" your case this is were you went wrong

Also be aware of unions. I am not a big fan as often reps are simply playing their own agenda with someone elses job and well being as to avoid doing it in their own name.

missprice

!!!!!!_Van_Dyke wrote: »

I wonder if you are overlooking something here

My suggestion would be to ask what the current employee did wrong and ask if he ammends this behaviour if he can still attend.

Remember this person is not a representative and should do nothing above observe and take notes. If this person went into "argue" your case this is were you went wrong

Also be aware of unions. I am not a big fan as often reps are simply playing their own agenda with someone elses job and well being as to avoid doing it in their own name.

hi DVD it was another of my employers i took, because of the problems i am having getting anyone to come with me thats suitable.

so this employer is nothing to do with cleaning and is as unbiased and impartial as i could get
he said nothing except his name and how he was 'related' to me and he took notes. thats it
and then the whole thing is cancelled to be rearranged soon.

fair enough that the area supervisor felt intimidated and nothing is yet resolved, so be it
but i cannot go back on my own,
i cannot force other staff to go with me, and
i am not a union member

its a predicament

Dick_Van_Dyke

missprice wrote: »

hi DVD it was another of my employers i took, because of the problems i am having getting anyone to come with me thats suitable.

so this employer is nothing to do with cleaning and is as unbiased and impartial as i could get
he said nothing except his name and how he was 'related' to me and he took notes. thats it
and then the whole thing is cancelled to be rearranged soon.

fair enough that the area supervisor felt intimidated and nothing is yet resolved, so be it
but i cannot go back on my own,
i cannot force other staff to go with me, and
i am not a union member

its a predicament

But why did the supervisor feel intimidated?
Unless they can provide a reason along with minuted evidence of it I would be demading this person attends.

missprice

!!!!!!_Van_Dyke wrote: »

But why did the supervisor feel intimidated?
Unless they can provide a reason along with minuted evidence of it I would be demading this person attends.

he is a big fella, i aint in the least intimidated by him, he about as scary as a bowl of ice cream,
but when i am stuck in the same room and she says we have to finish and you can come back tomorrow with someone more suitable as this man is making me feel uncomfortable and he is intimidating me, i can hardly insist that we stay and continue

i really believe that they are trying to get me on my own so they too can bully me into dropping the whole thing.

i would just love to go and make my points and leave i dont need this carp and i should not be made to feel bad (not by anyone on here) and feel intimidated myself.

real live predicament