working Bank holiday for no extra pay

bigheadxx

missprice wrote: »

public sector hols used to be great however with the new rules that all staff have 28 days inc stats then its not so wonderful anymore.

So what you are saying is that private sector workers should not be allowed to have more holidays, what makes you better than a private sector worker?

The OP is effectively expecting triple time as they have already stated that they are getting a day off in lieu.

normanjay

bigheadxx wrote: »

So what you are saying is that private sector workers should not be allowed to have more holidays, what makes you better than a private sector worker?

The OP is effectively expecting triple time as they have already stated that they are getting a day off in lieu.

That is false. The company is merely giving me back one of my holidays that was part of my entitlement, if they had not then my entitlement would have dropped to 27 days (illegal). Had I been given an enhanced rate of double time then double time is all it effectively would be. The day off in lieu is a return of what had already been taken from me if you see what I mean. Originally the bank holidays were part of a 4 day shutdown. The Monday fell on my shift so that day was taken from my entitlement. Then they changed there mind and cancelled the shutdown and thus gave us back the days we were losing.

MrsManda

normanjay wrote: »

That is false. The company is merely giving me back one of my holidays that was part of my entitlement, if they had not then my entitlement would have dropped to 27 days (illegal).

Then this isn't really time off in lieu, rather it is simply that normally you'd have had to take a day's holiday but because you're working it you won't have to take a day off. By calling it time off in lieu it's no wonder some posters got confused.

normanjay

bigheadxx wrote: »

You are lucky to have the choice. Most businesses have to operate in a 24/7 environment and it is not feasible to simply close-up for BH. Can they charge their customers double? NO. BH as automatic days off is an outdated idea, is mostly the preserve of the public sector and should not be seen as a right.

My Company operates 24/7. They elected to have 2 shutdowns following the increase in holidays to 28 days so that they could reduce overtime costs and storage costs. While this is sound practice and understandable, the net result to us is less money (in overtime) and more restrictions on when we can take our holidays. So we are already making sacrifices..

So in this respect the company have already made adjustments which recover their increased costs following the increase in holidays. Many employees also lost up to 5 service days. That was a painful blow but we took it on the chin.

bigheadxx wrote: »

Most private sector employees have seen their holiday entitlement increase from 20 days (which included BH, contrary to popular belief) to 28 days including BH increasing the statutory entitlement from 4 weeks to 5.6 weeks. I say private sector because the public sector enjoys a greater entitlement than this.

We are still getting less than the rest of Europe:

Public holidays in EU

Austria - 13, Luxembourg - 10, Belgium - 10, Netherlands - 8, Denmark 9.5, Portugal - 12-14, Finland - 12, Spain - 12-14, France - 11, Sweden -11, Germany 9-12, Britain *- 8, Greece 10-12, Northern Ireland *-10, Ireland - 9

EU average - 10.8

Italy - 12, United States -13

Source: IDS Europe

* plus an extra day for Golden Jubilee 2002 only

based on worker undertaking 5-day working week

normanjay

MrsManda wrote: »

Then this isn't really time off in lieu, rather it is simply that normally you'd have had to take a day's holiday but because you're working it you won't have to take a day off. By calling it time off in lieu it's no wonder some posters got confused.

I see (I think!)

Thanks for the correction

shiningdove

I don't get extra pay for bank holiday - we get an extra day holiday instead.

jdturk

normanjay wrote: »

I'm all for funding the labour party and increasing the powers of unions. This country has less public bank holidays than the rest of Europe and it is time we were brought in line.

Sure, unions have their drawbacks but what are the alternatives? Just let market forces dictate the pay and conditions? With immigration out of control the way it is then we'd all see a steady decline and with less money to spend how is the market to recover?

You'll vote labour but moan about immigration....hmmm oxymoron there!

jdturk

It would be interesting to see how we fair if you looked at total days across Europe

jdturk

http://www.mercer.com/pressrelease/details.htm?idContent=1267495

We're still bottom but I think 28 days is more than enough, I guess you would have to look at the other benefits that get thrown into the mix of employment such as pay, sick pay etc

normanjay

jdturk wrote: »

You'll vote labour but moan about immigration....hmmm oxymoron there!

Perhaps..

Would immigration be so very different under another party? From my POV the number of immigrants in this country, in conjunction with agencies is keeping wages lower and reducing our effectiveness to pull together and fight for better conditions (or indeed to hold onto conditions we are used to). Many of them are grateful for a job and they allow management to walk all over them, or more so than UK citizens.

It could also be argued that were it not for immigrants more of our jobs would have shifted overseas and at a faster rate. It's a complex issue and I'm aware that I cannot lay all the blame at their door. Just some of it.