A quarter of adults out of work

lemonjelly

The_White_Horse wrote: »

the point is this, after being swept to power in a wave of ben elton induced stupidity, the idiot lefties spent spent spent on the back of the decent economy they inherited from the tories. after 13 years of the lefty spend and tax disease we now find that the country is in ruins, financially, socially and physically. unemployment higher than when they got in, tax higher than when they got in, deficit higher than at anytime ever (including WWII), schools in dissaray, hospitals dirty and wasteful, roads like the third world, an unelected liar and sociapath at the helm in the pocket of the unions, and strikes everywhere you look.

same old lefties. it always ends in disaster.

And the relevance to the thread or healthy debate going on here is what exactly?

The_White_Horse

lemonjelly wrote: »

And the relevance to the thread or healthy debate going on here is what exactly?

that labour are !!!!!! and should be voted out.

Sir_Humphrey

The_White_Horse wrote: »

schools in dissaray

Your school clearly was!

EDIT: I am wondering if you are planted by the Labour Party as an exercise in reverse psychology. Get someone who is completely unhinged to slag off the govt - so people think they must be alright!

lemonjelly

The_White_Horse wrote: »

that labour are !!!!!! and should be voted out.

& I repeat:


the relevance to the thread or healthy debate going on here is what exactly?

ukcarper

lemonjelly wrote: »

I'd disagree that it was a struggle. More picturesque scenery, less cars on the road, nice homecooked food as opposed to the processed rubbish, less stress.



Unfair & inappropriate to compare living conditions in the 2 era's though isn't it? Realistically, though wages were lower, costs etc were lower too. 1 wage could easily provide all the needs of a household. Households didn't have the money pressures (& by some of this peer pressures & keeping up with the joneses) that exists nowadays.

Relatively speaking, 50's society was more equal than ours, as highlighted below:

My father was a skilled factory worker and my mother worked. We had none of the things that people have now but we did manage the odd holiday in a caravan. There is no way aveage working class people could have afforded what people have now.

The only thing I would add was that I had a very happy childhood without those things, perhaps people have got use to having too much and have lost track of the fact that it is not material things that make you happy.

ukcarper

StevieJ wrote: »

I think the very poorest now have a far higher standard of living than in the 50's, yes maybe their is a wider spread from top to bottom but the bottom has improved dramatically, any older people (who were brought up in working class areas) like to comment?
You only have to go in poorer peoples houses to see, after negotiating the car on the drive.
1950's No car, No washing machine, No central heating, No steak, No wine, No cheap beer, No cheap Chinese clothes, No internet, No mobile phone (in fact no phone) and on and on and on.

Perhaps the problen on here is that there are to many children of middle class parents or they are to young to now what it really was like to be working class in 50s

lemonjelly

ukcarper wrote: »

The only thing I would add was that I had a very happy childhood without those things, perhaps people have got use to having too much and have lost track of the fact that it is not material things that make you happy.

Great post. Sould be in 10 foot high letters.

Really2

lemonjelly wrote: »

Great post. Sould be in 10 foot high letters.

Or on a 50" plasma screen. ooooh hang on:D