The NHS

Pennywise

peterg1965 wrote: »

It needs more than cash to sort the NHS out. By and large it does what it says on the tin.....but.....

You are joking aren't you. They've more than doubled the spending. That's more than enough. The time comes when you can't keep throwing money at something. They should be reducing the spending but making it more efficient, or at least put a hold on current spending levels for a few years. It needs managing properly, that's all there is to it. The staff don't work any harder/better just because they've been paid more. Anyone can walk into any NHS building and see waste - I can't believe that the managers can't see it or won't do anything about it. A complete culture change is needed - that doesn't cost money - it's about changing attitudes and changing someone's attitude doesn't cost anything. It just needs a "can do" attitude. Probably the best thing that could happen is the Govt leaving it alone for a few years and scrapping their in-house ratings and results scheme in favour of independent "mystery shopper" type of "customer" ratings as to how happy the general public are about the service they receive - that's what really matters. We've had a decade of throwing money at the NHS and it hasn't worked - time for a change.

Radiantsoul

markharding557 wrote: »

generally not overpaid but there are too many people employed doing non jobs that don't need doing,layers of management etc,etc

Managers are an easy target, but an organisation with over a million employees probably needs 40 thousand managers.

purch

Higher

£ 47,000 :eek: ......err

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aelitaman

purch wrote: »

£ 47,000 :eek: ......err

Not Bad 50K.

Radiantsoul

http://www.mysalary.co.uk/average-salary/Nhs_Administrator_3396

Cleaver

aelitaman wrote: »

I have a friend (you may be surprised) and there job is to book appointments for operations at a hospital. i.e take emails from doctors, write to patient offer dates patient writes back with date, friend books operation on computer system, writes back to confirm with patient.

How much do your think the salary should be for this job. Have some suggestions and then I will tell you.

I believe that this job is a Bookings Clerk. It's an NHS job that is nationally banded, meaning that the payscale is set for everyone doing this role in every hospital. Basic booking clerks are on Band 2 (£13 - 16k) and a slightly more advanced job might be advertised at Band 3 (£15 to £18k).

Here's a typical example:

http://www.jobs.nhs.uk/cgi-bin/vacdetails.cgi?selection=912437160

Those salaries seem about right to me, but maybe a little high. If your friend earns a lot more than this then I suppose that:

a) they are lying
b) they have much higher responsibilities, i.e. managing a team of booking clerks, budgets etc.
c) the NHS organisation in question has broken away from the nationally recomended pay band set for this job, but this would be unlikely for a job as widespread and standard as this one.

aelitaman wrote: »

Not Bad 50K.

I've just seen this. I'm sorry, but your friend doesn't earn £50k working as a standard bookings clerk.

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Cleaver wrote: »

I believe that this job is a Bookings Clerk. It's an NHS job that is nationally banded, meaning that the payscale is set for everyone doing this role in every hospital. Basic booking clerks are on Band 2 (£13 - 16k) and a slightly more advanced job might be advertised at Band 3 (£15 to £18k).

Here's a typical example:

http://www.jobs.nhs.uk/cgi-bin/vacdetails.cgi?selection=912437160

Those salaries seem about right to me, but maybe a little high. If your friend earns a lot more than this then I suppose that:

a) they are lying
b) they have much higher responsibilities, i.e. managing a team of booking clerks, budgets etc.
c) the NHS organisation in question has broken away from the nationally recomended pay band set for this job, but this would be unlikely for a job as widespread and standard as this one.



I've just seen this. I'm sorry, but your friend doesn't earn £50k working as a standard bookings clerk.

It will be medical secretary/pa at best £18.5k ish

peterg1965

Pennywise wrote: »

You are joking aren't you. They've more than doubled the spending. That's more than enough. The time comes when you can't keep throwing money at something. They should be reducing the spending but making it more efficient, or at least put a hold on current spending levels for a few years. It needs managing properly, that's all there is to it. The staff don't work any harder/better just because they've been paid more. Anyone can walk into any NHS building and see waste - I can't believe that the managers can't see it or won't do anything about it. A complete culture change is needed - that doesn't cost money - it's about changing attitudes and changing someone's attitude doesn't cost anything. It just needs a "can do" attitude. Probably the best thing that could happen is the Govt leaving it alone for a few years and scrapping their in-house ratings and results scheme in favour of independent "mystery shopper" type of "customer" ratings as to how happy the general public are about the service they receive - that's what really matters. We've had a decade of throwing money at the NHS and it hasn't worked - time for a change.

My wording was incorrect. I should have said the NHS NEEDED (as opposed to needs) more funding. Sorry..

Cleaver

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

It will be medical secretary/pa at best £18.5k ish

Good point, it probably is. If I remember rightly they are all banded at Band 4 or sometimes 5.

Don't get me wrong, the NHS couldn't improve in about a gazillion ways. But these 'my mate works for public sector organisation x, and all he does is type the occassional letter and surf the net and earns £80k a year for it..." stories get on my wick.

There are obviously non-productive people in the public sector getting paid too much and it isn't on, but if it sounds too good to be true then it always will be in my opinion.