clocking out

BOB_A_H

mazza111 wrote: »

Sorry but agree with Jomo here, you should be at your desk ready to start at set time and don't leave until set time. You don't get paid to walk to the clocking out system or out the building.[


Not all jobs are desk jobs. Traditionally in workshops etc. you get "washing up time". However even in this line you would be expected to be at your work station ready to start work at your start time, not clocking in then going to get changed etc.

Proc

BOB_A_H wrote: »

So the OP is being petty over 5 mins, but the employer is not?

No.

The employer is being "petty" over the complete and utter lack of communication. She agrees with the employer to start at a certain time. But, without warning, she just waltzes in as and when she pleases because she feels she is owed this time.

I'm all up for back-scratching going both ways...but it isn't literal. Just because you've had to stay a few minutes late one night, it does not mean that you can just stroll in late the following day without warning to the employer. To me, if someone works a lot of over-time and doesn't whine, well you know when they really need that day off at short notice? Yeh, they'll get it.

But some businesses (especially ones that deal with clients like the OP does) can't simply accept staff sorting out their own flexitime. Client calls in 9:05am wanting to know what's happening with X,Y&Z. Client doesn't manage to speak to someone until 9:15am who then says "Oh yeh sorry I was in bed because I stayed 10minutes late last night". Very professional.

emmell

If you go shopping and the store opens at 9am, would you expect them to open the doors at 9:05am and close the doors at 5:25pm.
I have worked in retail. I had to walk through the store, sign in, climb the stairs, walk through the warehouse (same size as the shop), put my stuff in my locker, walk back through the warehouse down the stairs to the tills and be ready for the doors opening at 9am to let the customers in who had probably been waiting ten minutes.
If we started at 9am we were paid from 9am, but even though it took a while to get to our work post, most of the staff would arrive early so they could have a cuppa before they started. I can never remember anyone complaining.
ML.

got_it_back_2

if fact i am always in work early, like leesoutheast i like a coffee, and get the handover done before time. its a lot of the others that are moaning. i was trying to see legally the standpoint on the change.
its a bit like the if you are two minutes late, then you dont get stopped the 2 minutes, but a quarter of an hour. but how many people actually go and sit down for 13 minutes? not many, they generally go and start.
anyway i think its sorted because our manager left at 22:31 tonight so it has set a presidant now.
but thx for the replies

LeeSouthEast

I think it depends a lot on the employer, too. My ex used to work at Tesco, and like you say if you were 2 minutes late, you were docked 15 minutes. Where I am providing it isn't habitual, but genuinely stuck in traffic or whatever, they let it slide. When an employer is like that, I don't mind giving time here and there. They scratch yours, I'll scratch theirs and vice versa