Unemployment FALLS for second month in a row

Graham_Devon

Scottish unemployment is up 10,000.

Just thought I'd throw that in!

The number of people out of work in Scotland rose by 10,000 in the last three months of 2009, official figures have shown.
The increase took the number of people who are unemployed to 206,000, up 65,000 on the same quarter last year.

Graham_Devon

Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

I totally agree that there is scaremongeroing going on - there is an election to win after all.

No, Labour won't keep the existing policy. Thats why they have a policy to half the deficit in 4 years. The difference between the two parties is when to start cutting it and how to make the savings.

Labour plan on letting the economy reflate, growth and the return of tax receipts at normal levels meaning you need to cut less spending. The Tories seem intent on cutting and thats it. As they crash the economy and this time have no concerns about rising unemployment, tax receipts fall, spending goes up and the cuts have to be even deeper.

Is this true? I..e, do you have any credible evidence (what I mean here, is no labour party stuff) that the tories have implied just cuts and thats it?

Or are you just saying that?

So in summary what I expect from the Tories is basically a rerun of Thatcher's first term. Slag off Labour for the state of the economy and high unemployment.

Well to be fair, it was labour running the economy for the last decade. It was labour who stalled unemployment through government schemes to get people into non jobs by paying employers generous amounts which meant they got labour for free. Something which cannot carry on anbd has an end date after the election. So there wil be more unemployed after the election if labour stay in anyway. Who else would the tories blame when they have to reverse these policies causing higher unemployment?

Then eviscerate the economy and massively increase the number out of work. Then cut the taxes of those people lucky enough still to have a well paid job and blame joblessness on the unemployed. We know their policy is to cut deep and quickly despite Cameron's attempts to reign this back in (opposed by Osborne), and we know from history and from the IMF what impact this will have.

Do we know this? If so, can you tell me where this is, as I have been trying to find something to seperate the two parties. The news etc can't seem to show that much difference between the parties, yet it seems you can, so can you shed some light?

Frankly whatever Labour do can't be as bad as that. Its not as if we have a major debt crisis anyway - the ratings agencies have already said they can no more downgrade us than they can America, we print and control the currency
in which our debts are issued, and the markets will be far too distracted by the weaker EU countries falling over and the collapse of the Euro.

Whatever labour do may not be as bad as that. But I do believe you are painting a really bad picture of the a tory government, and then saying labour can't be as bad.

When you talk about the debt crisis, and we print our own money, I always ask you the same question....why did labour go to the IMF? You never answer that.

It may also be in your interest to take note of what the world leading economists are saying to Alistair Darling. They are apply pressure for more cuts. So are you saying that most of the world leading economists, and also the conservatives are wrong, and Alistair is right? (Consider his record here).

worldtraveller

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Scottish unemployment is up 10,000.

Just thought I'd throw that in!

It's also likely to get a lot worse with about one in four working people there employed by the state. Mind you, NI will surely be worse, with around 30% in the public sector.

Charterhouse

Hamish the last page or so of replies has me thoroughly convinced that you only post to get a rise out of people. You rarely answer direct questions and post things that seem aimed completely at wining up or even upsetting people. Why else would you assert that the recession has been great for you? That is quite clearly an offensive thing to say to the majority of people. The revelation that you got help with your own first house purchase just makes me laugh. That in itself invalidates any opinion you have on the "youth of today" or the affordability of house prices. Take a seat at the back of the class and let the adults debate.

Now, on the topic of the debt crisis, I think it is important to recognise that the recovery is nascent rather than well underway. Although I understand the Tory party's desire to get the debt dynamics onto a better path towards sustainability, it is very important not to choke off the recovery by tightening fiscally at a premature moment. Lots of people talk about cutting Government spending and Civil Service jobs etc, but boosting unemployment just as we are trying to get out of a major recession is the last thing to do. I would rather see a Government keep stimulating the economy through the rest of 2010 and start to tighten things gradually in 2011. Private sector demand and credit availability are still too restricted to drive the economy, so the public sector must bear the lion's share of the burden for a little longer.

Our debt dynamics, while explosive, are not worse than most of our peers, and we still have power over our own currency unlike the Euro states. Make a plan for fiscal readjustment and aim to stick to it, by all means, but I do not believe that plan should start until 2011 at the earliest.

boomerangs

Charterhouse wrote: »

Hamish the last page or so of replies has me thoroughly convinced that you only post to get a rise out of people.

You're only realising that now? :eek:

Giving serious replies to these people (like you have done) only encourages them to post yet more inflammatory garbage. Therefore I urge you to desist forwith and merely treat them with the disdain they so richly deserve.

doire_2

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

It hasn't.

In fact, it has been of great benefit to us, we have never been better off, as have most people I know.

I do know 3 people that lost their jobs, but all on really good redundancy packages, and all found another job on the same or better wages very quickly, and got to pocket the redundancy package.

Seriously, compared to previous recessions, this one has been a walk in the park for most people. Lower unemployment by far, lower interest rates which benefit millions of households, better safety nets in place through benefits, etc.....

Of course, it's never good for the people that do lose their jobs, but of all the people working full time before the recession, only 3% will lose their jobs. And for those that do lose a job, 75% will be back in work within 6 months.

As far as recessions go, this one has been better than previous ones by a long shot.

Sweet Lord! The king of generalization strikes again. Food prices up. Oil up. Petrol up. Job uncertainty

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

As far as recessions go, this one has been better than previous ones by a long shot.

But will take the longest to recover from.

Is there a link that states 75% will be back in FULL TIME work within 6 months? Also unemployment hasn't reached the highs of past recession yet (remember at least 6% of public sector workers could go according to Unison) but how many people are working 16 or 17 hours a week that were working 40 hours a week?

chucky

Charterhouse wrote: »

Hamish the last page or so of replies has me thoroughly convinced that you only post to get a rise out of people.

that took you a while to notice

doire_2

Charterhouse wrote: »

Hamish the last page or so of replies has me thoroughly convinced that you only post to get a rise out of people. You rarely answer direct questions and post things that seem aimed completely at wining up or even upsetting people. Why else would you assert that the recession has been great for you? That is quite clearly an offensive thing to say to the majority of people. The revelation that you got help with your own first house purchase just makes me laugh. That in itself invalidates any opinion you have on the "youth of today" or the affordability of house prices. Take a seat at the back of the class and let the adults debate.

Now, on the topic of the debt crisis, I think it is important to recognise that the recovery is nascent rather than well underway. Although I understand the Tory party's desire to get the debt dynamics onto a better path towards sustainability, it is very important not to choke off the recovery by tightening fiscally at a premature moment. Lots of people talk about cutting Government spending and Civil Service jobs etc, but boosting unemployment just as we are trying to get out of a major recession is the last thing to do. I would rather see a Government keep stimulating the economy through the rest of 2010 and start to tighten things gradually in 2011. Private sector demand and credit availability are still too restricted to drive the economy, so the public sector must bear the lion's share of the burden for a little longer.

Our debt dynamics, while explosive, are not worse than most of our peers, and we still have power over our own currency unlike the Euro states. Make a plan for fiscal readjustment and aim to stick to it, by all means, but I do not believe that plan should start until 2011 at the earliest.

Did he?.............

Charterhouse

doire wrote: »

Did he?.............

In the other thread he admitted so, yes.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=2275649&page=8

doire_2

Charterhouse wrote: »

In the other thread he admitted so, yes.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=2275649&page=8

Yet comes out with this beauty

The only generational problem we have today is a bunch of young underachievers whining about how everything should be handed to them on a plate.