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U.K. M4 Money Supply Unexpectedly Drops In December

U.K.'s M4 money supply decreased 1.1% month-on-month in December after an increase of 0.1% in November, data from the Bank of England showed Thursday. Economists had forecast 0.9% rise in December.

http://www.rttnews.com/Content/AllEconomicNews.aspx?Node=B2&Id=1185663
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  • lemonjelly
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    Backs up you're feeling for no IR hike until early 2011 I suppose?

    Dang!
    It's getting harder & harder to keep the government in the manner to which they have become accustomed.
  • Really2
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    I climb back from thinking rates could increase in the first half.

    That view lasted, what 2-3 days. :)
  • kennyboy66_2
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    Where are the inflation 'nutters'.

    More grist for Generali's mill though.
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  • lemonjelly wrote: »
    Backs up you're feeling for no IR hike until early 2011 I suppose?

    Dang!


    yeah baby !!

    ;)
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  • Generali
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    It's not a good sign with base rates at half a percent.

    Out of interest, DAK how much QE there was in December? I think M4 has so far fallen in months with little or no QE.

    The cycle seems to be, BoE runs out of QE so m-o-m M4 falls so BoE announces more QE. I think there was QE in December however so that is potentially a worrying sign - if M4 is falling despite QE.

    It's probably just the weather or something though.

    The other thing I wanted to ask is, DAK what the data series VYHB is? It's described as 'Net other assets' by the Bank of England in their M4 calculation and has fallen by £158,000,000,000 over the past year and £38,500,000,000 in the last month alone!

    http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/statistics/m4/2009/dec/provm4.pdf
  • 09:36 21Jan10 IGBP/USD: Extends South After UK M4 Money Supply Shock

    London, January 21.

    Cable has fallen to a fresh 8-day low of 1.6162 on the back of the disclosure
    that UK M4 broad money supply fell by 1.1% last month. A 0.9% increase was
    expected, to follow a 0.1% rise in November. The disappointing number is bad newsfor hawks calling for a Spring/Summer Bank Rate hike. Bank Rate has been at 0.5%since last March.
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  • lemonjelly
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    Generali wrote: »
    It's not a good sign with base rates at half a percent.

    Out of interest, DAK how much QE there was in December? I think M4 has so far fallen in months with little or no QE.

    The cycle seems to be, BoE runs out of QE so m-o-m M4 falls so BoE announces more QE. I think there was QE in December however so that is potentially a worrying sign - if M4 is falling despite QE.

    It's probably just the weather or something though.

    The other thing I wanted to ask is, DAK what the data series VYHB is? It's described as 'Net other assets' by the Bank of England in their M4 calculation and has fallen by £158,000,000,000 over the past year and £38,500,000,000 in the last month alone!

    http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/statistics/m4/2009/dec/provm4.pdf

    I'm not even sure what that says, let alone the answers to your questions ;):D
    It's getting harder & harder to keep the government in the manner to which they have become accustomed.
  • chucky
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    silly question of the day maybe - but where is it going to?

    is it still being soaked up by balance sheets or is it going into equities - where's it going?
  • purch
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    I think M4 has so far fallen in months with little or no QE.

    Strip out the QE which amounts to about 8.5-9% , and M4 is contracting on an annual basis. :eek:

    It is a similar story in the U.S (M2). and Euro La La Land (M3)

    Money Supply is contracting.

    Not only will Interest Rates not be increasing anytime soon, I wouldn't be expecting much GDP growth either for a good few quarters.
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  • Really2 wrote: »
    I climb back from thinking rates could increase in the first half.

    That view lasted, what 2-3 days. :)

    :rotfl:

    I never had that view. Not even for 2-3 seconds.;)
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    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
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