Bailiff Charges?

THE_LONE_RANGER_4

to be honest councill tax and non payment is a go to jail issue , try and sort it out you will probably find they will go now straight to an attachment of earnings or benefits , i am amazed coucills still send bailiffs for council tax non payment our councillors voted against sending bailiffs and prefer attachment of earnings etc ,unless your self employed or it is business rates , try and get it sorted it is far easier than having to worry about knocks at the door etc from the court appointed bailiffs you cant realy win against them ,dca are a different kettle of fish though so chin up

**purpleprincess**

That's ok triffidfood! Was genuinely concerned, council tax is a matter close to my heart!!

triffidfood

Okay, this is an update on my previous posts...

I wrote to the bailiffs a couple of times in the last 3 or 4 weeks, asking for a breakdown of the charges (£124) they were intending to add to my 'account', but with no reply (other than a letter telling me they'd returned the matter to the county council, but not mentioning charges).

Today, I phoned their main office and eventually got to speak to someone, who told me that they are now applying total charges of £39, for two visits (no mention of £124, or of four visits now). She also gave me a total amount outstanding which is now considerably less than the amount stated on their (the bailiffs) red "Final Notice".

In other words, I think they were expecting to get away with their original charges (and possibly add to these with charges for van visits that never happened too?), but backed off when I questioned them, and when I asked for a breakdown of the charges.

Actually, I wonder how many more people have ended up paying NWCS money for charges that, strictly speaking, they hadn't incurred, simply because they never thought to question it?

I guess this is a very instructive lesson in how bailiffs operate, and what they try to get away with (and WILL get away with, if you let them) ...

triffidfood

Tootsie_Roll wrote:

Even more importantly you could go to prison !!! I have known this to happen on a couple of occaisions. Ignoring the bailiff will definately not help in the long run - if they return the account to the council they have no option but to start litigation - very, very bad news.

Even if you can only pay them £1 per month make contact.

Okay, I phoned the County Council half an hour ago (I'd been relying on emails until now, with not much response) and managed to sort out paying the outstanding amount in instalments (over 12 months) .. the person I spoke to was actually very helpful: she wasn't even sure what charges the bailiffs intended applying, so these haven't even been taken into account yet (i.e. I'm just paying back the council tax element).

Anyway it's nice to have got it sorted. (And even nicer that the stupid bailiffs aren't trying to get away with their excessive charges now :cool:)

fatbelly

triffidfood wrote:

Actually, I wonder how many more people have ended up paying NWCS money for charges that, strictly speaking, they hadn't incurred, simply because they never thought to question it?

I guess this is a very instructive lesson in how bailiffs operate, and what they try to get away with (and WILL get away with, if you let them) ...

Very well put.

I am really pleased that you stood up to them.

Anyone dealing with bailiffs ought to be directed to this thread.

isgman

The "Fees" below are taken from the Web Site shown below
I Hope thay help
http://www.dca.gov.uk/enforcement/enfrev01/repac.htm


Fees
Where the sum of money to be recovered is £125 or less £25
Where the sum of money to be recovered is more than £125 £45
This fee covers all visits made by bailiffs.

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Charges
Transport of removed goods The reasonable expenses incurred.
Storage of removed goods Reasonable costs.
Valuation Reasonable costs of an independent person. If a bailiff values the goods, there is a charge of 5% of the value of the goods.
Sale
15% of the amount realised by the sale or such other sum as the district judge may consider to be justified in the circumstances.





Council Tax
Fees
For each liability order where no levy is made, £20 for the first
or only visit and £15 for a second visit can be charged.

For levying distress, the following fees may be charged
(or a lesser amount if that would be reasonable):

Where the sum due is £100 or less
£20

For the next £400 4%
For the next £1,500 2.5%
For the next £8,000 1%
For an additional sum 0.25 %

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Charges
Walking possession £10
Attendance with vehicle/removal/storage Reasonable costs and fees incurred.
Valuation Reasonable costs, but no charge can be made unless the debtor has been advised of the charge and the manner of its calculation, beforehand.
Sale
Reasonable costs and fees incurred.

Where sale does not take place £20 or actual costs up to 5% of the amount of the liability order (whichever the larger sum).

Child Support Agency
Fees
For preparing and sending a letter advising the client that a warrant is with bailiff and requesting the sum due
£10

For levying distress where the sum due is not more than £100 £12.50
Where the sum demanded and due exceeds £100:
(i) on the first £100 12.5%
(ii) for the next £400 of arrears 4%
(iii) for the next £1,500 of arrears 2.5%
(iv) for the next £8,000 of arrears 1%
(v) for any additional sum 0.25%

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Charges
Walking possession 10p per day
Removal and storage Reasonable costs and fees incurred.
Valuation Reasonable fees and expenses of the broker appraising. Valuation requests must be in writing by the liable person.
Sale
Reasonable costs and fees incurred.

(i) where the sale is held on the auctioneer's premises Commission to the auctioneer, an inclusive charge to include out-of-pocket expenses of 15% of the sum realised, and the reasonable cost of advertising.
(ii) where the sale is held on the debtors premises Commission to the auctioneer, in addition to out-of-pocket expenses actually and reasonably incurred, 7.5% of the sum realised, and the reasonable cost of advertising.

Road Traffic (parking penalties)
Fees
For preparing and sending a letter advising the client that a warrant is with bailiff and requesting the sum due
£10

For levying distress where the sum due is not more than £100 £25
For levying distress where the sum due is more than £100 25% on the first £200 and 5% on any sum over £200.
For attending to levy distress but where no levy is made Reasonable costs, but not more than the fees that could be charged if a levy were made.
The fee for sending a letter to the debtor can be charged only if the letter is sent before a first visit is made.
Bailiffs are allowed to charge the fees for a maximum of three visits only.

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Charges
Walking possession 50p each day for the first 14 days and 5p a day after that.
Valuation Reasonable fees, charges and expenses of the broker.
Removing goods or attending to remove goods where no goods are removed Reasonable costs and charges.
Sale of goods
15% of the proceeds of sale if the sale is held on auctioneer's premises to cover the auctioneers commission and out-of-pocket expenses, plus the reasonable cost of advertising, removal and storage.

OR

7.5% of the proceeds of sale where the sale is held on the debtor's premises to cover the auctioneer's commission, plus out-of-pocket expenses actually and reasonably incurred.


Distress for Rent
Fees
Where the sum demanded and due does not exceed £100

Where the sum demanded and due exceeds £100:
(i) on the first £100 12.5%
(ii) for the next £400 of arrears 4%
(iii) for the next £1,500 of arrears 2.5%
(iv) for the next £8,000 of arrears 1%
(v) for any additional sum 0.25%

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Charges
Walking possession agreement 45p per day
Transport and storage of removed goods Reasonable costs and charges
Valuation At the request in writing of the tenant, reasonable fees, charges and the expenses of the broker apply.
Sale
(i) where the sale is held on the auctioneer's premises Commission to the auctioneer, an inclusive charge to include out-of-pocket expenses of 15% of the sum realised, and the reasonable cost of advertising, removal and storage.
(ii) where the sale is held on the debtors premises
Commission to the auctioneer, in addition to out-of-pocket expenses actually and reasonably incurred 7.5% of the sum realised.


Inland Revenue Income Tax
Fees
For making a visit to the premises with a view to levying distress
(whether the levy is made or not).
A sum not exceeding £12.50
Levying distress where the total sum charged is £100 or less. £12.50
Levying distress where the total sum charged is more than £100:
(i) on the first £100 of the amount to be recovered 12.5%
(ii) on the next £400 of arrears 4%
(iii) for the next £1,500 of arrears 2.5%
(iv) for the next £8,000 of arrears 1%
(v) for any additional sum 0.25%

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Charges
Where close possession is taken £4.50 for the day of levy only
Where walking possession is taken 45p per day, payable for the day the distress is levied and up to 14 days thereafter
Removal and storage of goods The reasonable costs and charges of removal and storage.
Appraisement The reasonable fees, charges and expenses of the person appraising
Sale
(i) where the sale is held on the auctioneer's premises, for the
auctioneer's commission (to include all out-of-pocket expenses other than charges for advertising removal and storage). 15% of the sum realised, plus the reasonable costs of advertising, removal and storage.
(ii) Where the sale is held on the debtor's premises, (to include all out-of-pocket expenses other than charges for advertising removal and storage).
7.5% of the sum realised, plus out-of-pocket expenses actually and reasonably incurred, and the reasonable cost of advertising.


Inland Revenue National Insurance Contributions
Fees
For making a visit to the premises with a view to levying distress
(whether the levy is made or not). A sum not exceeding £12.50
Levying distress where the total sum certified is £100 or less. £12.50
Levying distress where the total sum certified is more than £100:
(i) on the first £100 of the amount to be recovered 12.5%
(ii) on the next £400 of arrears 4%
(iii) for the next £1,500 of arrears 2.5%
(iv) for the next £8,000 of arrears 1%
(v) for any additional sum 0.25%

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Charges
Where close possession is taken £4.50 for the day of levy only
Where walking possession is taken 45p per day, payable for the day the distress is levied and up to 14 days thereafter
Removal and storage of goods The reasonable costs and charges of removal and storage.
Appraisement The reasonable fees, charges and expenses of the person appraising
Sale
(i) where the sale is held on the auctioneer's premises, for the auctioneer's commission (to include all out-of-pocket expenses other than charges for advertising removal and storage). 15% of the sum realised, plus the reasonable costs of advertising, removal and storage.
(ii) Where the sale is held on the debtor's premises, (to include all out-of-pocket expenses other than charges for advertising removal and storage).
7.5% of the sum realised, plus out-of-pocket expenses actually and reasonably incurred, and the reasonable cost of advertising.