What was the main driver of the 300%+ house price rise from the mid 80s to mid 00s

Sapphire

treliac wrote: »

Hear hear. It's one of the cruellest myths imposed on women in recent years - that they can 'have it all' - a wonderful life in which they can follow a career on an equal footing with men, whilst bringing up a family and enjoying 'quality time' (the biggest con of all!) with the children.

I'd disagree vehemently with anyone who claims women have achieved equality for themselves, stability for their families or, indeed, peace of mind or much to be pleased about while they battle to balance the love, care and commitment involved in bringing up a family with the pressures of maintaining a career.

Perhaps women should choose between a career and having children? The world is already incredibly over-populated, so it would be no bad thing if more people decided not to breed. Better that than bringing offspring into the world and not being able to give them the sort of attention they need to grow up into decent human beings.

When you are already exhausted and stressed after a hard day's work, how can you possibly devote time to your children? It's surely unfair to both them and yourself to embark on such a life style. What is the point, then, in having children? :cool:

treliac

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Sapphire wrote: »

When you are already exhausted and stressed after a hard day's work, how can you possibly devote time to your children? It's surely unfair to both them and yourself to embark on such a life style. What is the point, then, in having children? :cool:

Absolutely, that's just it. But biology drives (most of) us to have children.

The point I'm making is that women should be able to have children and bring them up, without being forced into untenable compromise in order to provide for their family.

The alternative, and one chosen by a growing number of young women, could be to live on benefits and let other tax payers provide a home and income for them and their children. Do we promote this as a lifestyle choice? The fact is that, as things are today, few fathers earn enough to provide for children, a stay-at-home wife, a roof over their heads, etc. etc.

I don't believe the lifestyle of most working mothers, by which I mean serious 'have to earn' mothers, is chosen by many of them. I certainly didn't feel I had a choice. I ended up doing both as well as possible, but neither to the standard I should and could have, and at a cost to my children and to myself.

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HAMISH_MCTAVISH

increased demand (population increase and increased affluence)

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Where is the facts for this?
Certainly when looking at the facts it seems that net migration is still positive.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?id=260

"Net migration, the difference between immigration and emigration, decreased from 233,000 in 2007 to 163,000 as a result of increased emigration."

So 163,000 net migrants, plus the births and decrease in deaths due to life expectancy increase.

Looks like 2008 is on track to get close to another 400,000 or so people adding to the UK's population.

And again, we only built 80,000 houses, with 150,000 or so households forming.

No wonder the number of houses available to buy decreased from 1 million to a paltry 640,000 between 2007 and 2009.....

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

increased demand (population increase and increased affluence)

treliac wrote: »

Absolutely, that's just it. But biology drives (most of) us to have children.
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So my wife was talking to one of her colleagues the other day.....

Colleague- So Mrs McT, when are you going to have kids? (for the umpteenth annoying time)

Mrs McT- Oh..... I'm sorry, I thought you knew....

Colleague- Knew what?

Mrs McT- I can't have children.....

Colleague- (now deeply embarrassed) Oh!!! I'm so sorry, I can't believe I brought it up. I'm so sorry.... Is it a medical problem?

Mrs McT- No.... not exactly....

Colleague- So then, why can't you have kids?

Mrs McT- BECAUSE I HATE THE LITTLE F*CKERS!!!!!!!


Needless to say, the nosy b1tch hasn't asked since.:D

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

increased demand (population increase and increased affluence)

Sapphire wrote: »

Perhaps women should choose between a career and having children? The world is already incredibly over-populated, so it would be no bad thing if more people decided not to breed.

:T :T :T :T

Exactly right......

Children are expensive, annoying, time consuming, and quite frankly not worth the hassle.

No kids, no desire to have kids, can't stand other people's kids, and the thought of having kids makes our skin crawl.

baileysbattlebus

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

:T :T :T :T

Exactly right......

Children are expensive, annoying, time consuming, and quite frankly not worth the hassle.

No kids, no desire to have kids, can't stand other people's kids, and the thought of having kids makes our skin crawl.

OH and I used to feel the same way - people used to think we had a fertility problem because we didn't pop them out when we were first married - I didn't have the heart to tell the family we didn't want any - but in the end I suppose mother nature won out - and one day I felt I just had to have one - no logic there at all - just an overwhelming urge for a child - strange isn't it.

We have 3, and they have been all of the above and sometimes we have felt they were more hassle than they were worth - that happened once they were grown up though, not when they were children.

We have a grandson live with us now, his mother is here too - but we more or less bring him up and he is all of the above too.

One the other hand children are non judgemental and will love you regardless of your mistakes, they make you laugh and make you cry they make you frustrated and angry at times and can be the best manipulators in the world.

There is never a dull moment with children - the last couple of weeks have seen GS pass a karate assessment - he was so thrilled - he wanted to wear his new belt to bed along with the rest of his kit as pyjamas. He was given a merit award in front of the school from his headmaster - embarassed - but thrilled. His prancing around in in his Christmas play seagull(?) outfit - the tears when he poked someone in the eye when we was wearing his "beak". He is 8.

As the advert says - priceless.

Would I have them again if I had the choice - in a heartbeat.

Emy1501

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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

:T :T :T :T

Exactly right......

Children are expensive, annoying, time consuming, and quite frankly not worth the hassle.

No kids, no desire to have kids, can't stand other people's kids, and the thought of having kids makes our skin crawl.

I have a sneaky suspicion fom reading some of your posts that kids probably feel the same way about you:D

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

increased demand (population increase and increased affluence)

Emy1501 wrote: »

I have a sneaky suspicion fom reading some of your posts that kids probably feel the same way about you:D

Absolutely!!!!!

Me not having children is an arrangement that works out very well for all concerned.:D

Sapphire

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

:T :T :T :T

Exactly right......

Children are expensive, annoying, time consuming, and quite frankly not worth the hassle.

No kids, no desire to have kids, can't stand other people's kids, and the thought of having kids makes our skin crawl.

I have two nephews – two of my three siblings just about managed to spew them forth – and get on really well with one of them in particular (always have done, since he was tiny). However, I've never had an urge to have children myself.

I can't stand the noise of screaming kids on packed commuter trains (or elsewhere, really), and the thought of actually giving birth has always turned my stomach. I also find very little to like about teenagers. :eek:

(This from a female.)

There are so many other things I'm interested in and can get involved with (often in a useful and productive way) that I wouldn't be able to get involved with if I had children. Unlike some, I don't feel my sole purpose in life is to procreate and increase a species that is doing so much damage to the environment.

There, I've said it. :T

IveSeenTheLight

edgex wrote: »

I didnt say that an increase in population dosnt mean an increase in requirements for property

what i did say
the increase in population dosnt lead to the same increase in demand for property

it isnt a 1to1 correlation
eg. a 10% increase in population over 10 years dosnt lead to a 10% increase in the requirement for housing in that same period
it dosnt even mean a 10% increase in the requirement for housing in the following 10 year period

Where did I say it was a 1 to 1 correlation

I did refer to a house with 3 children rolled forward would likely mean that these three are looking to become home owners or renters and questioned if enough property was being built to sustain the increased demand