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  • lostinrates
    lostinrates Posts: 55,283 Forumite
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    lemonjelly wrote: »
    Reflecting on these made me think of another thing. When I'm shopping, for example a new pair of shoes, I may look at a price tag. Now, when looking at that price tag, I reflect on how hard I've had to work for that money. That helps me to decide whether the shoes are worth that price or not.

    If money is just given to you, how can that affect your concept of value.

    This isn't a strictly fair view - I know of many benefit claimants who are very careful in their budgeting, prioritising etc. I have friends who have gone without food whilst their children have eaten, or had a new jumper for school. So the above isn't a huge generalisation, but perhaps a part solution for some, or an indicator of the importance of the educational needs.

    This is pretty much exactly how I feel.

    It helped me in uni that I worked (I had to pay fees, but smaller than now), because I knew what those fees had cost me. actually, because I'd worked long before university, I'd had the concept well before then.

    Money and budgeting is half of the equation of ''worth'' earnig the money is the other half. Many in society have only one half of the equation (its possible to have either half with out the other, or both, regardless of income).

    It is a mistake to equate that lack of undertanding with either excess or lack of income, IMO.
  • shellsuit
    shellsuit Posts: 24,749 Forumite
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    zygurat789 wrote: »
    The minimum wage for 21+ is £5.73ph
    The minimum wage for an 18yr old is £4.83.
    For people to want to work either increase their pay or reduce their benefit.
    I propose reducing benefits gradually for new claims so that it will be seen to be less beneficial in future.

    It's actually £5.80 for 21+ :)
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  • carolt
    carolt Posts: 8,531 Forumite
    You're on benefits?

    No, I work.

    Are you hard of understanding today?
  • Pobby
    Pobby Posts: 5,438 Forumite
    carolt wrote: »
    No, I work.

    Are you hard of understanding today?

    That would be the same as yesterday.
  • zygurat789
    zygurat789 Posts: 4,263 Forumite
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by zygurat789 viewpost.gif
    The minimum wage for 21+ is £5.73ph
    The minimum wage for an 18yr old is £4.83.
    For people to want to work either increase their pay or reduce their benefit.
    I propose reducing benefits gradually for new claims so that it will be seen to be less beneficial in future.

    shellsuit wrote: »
    It's actually £5.80 for 21+ :)

    Yes Sorry last years figure, cross eyed.
    The only thing that is constant is change.
  • carolt wrote: »
    Are you hard of understanding today?

    I don't think so. Maybe you don't express yourself very clearly? You seem like a very angry person?
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  • BACKFRMTHEEDGE
    BACKFRMTHEEDGE Posts: 1,294 Forumite
    edited 19 November 2009 at 4:35PM
    Pobby wrote: »
    That would be the same as yesterday.

    You seem very angry too?

    Funny there are lots of angry agressive types on this board. Yet over on the DFW and MFW board everyone is very supportive.

    Why do you think there are soooooo many angry types on this board? They seem rather heartless and miserly? Why do you think that is? or maybe you don't see things that way?
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  • zygurat789
    zygurat789 Posts: 4,263 Forumite
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    carolt wrote: »
    Personally, I would force the parents to work for their benefit, the same as I do.

    Anyone who failed to get a job within an allotted timespan (say 3 months?) would either have all benefits cut off or be made to work at minimum wage level in a job that was imposed on them. Not full-time - their befits wouldn't cover that, and it wouldn't allow them to look for a longer-term job. But if they get £60/week, then 10 hours a week cleaning the streets, say. They'd learn some transferable soft skills in the meantime, our streets would look better (or whatever), they'd get some self-respect as they were actually earning' their pay, and it might discourage those who wre just too damn lazy, to look for work.

    The kids would be no better or worse off financially. But their parents would now have something to put on their CV, someone to give them a reference, and some work experience.

    They'd know that if they were to work more, they could get more money.

    And I'd scrap any rule that made it financially advantageous to be on benefits over getting a job, as it is now.

    £60pw are you kidding. My daughter was abandonned by her partner with two under 6's. They're both at school now and she has a part-time job in a school now but when she was in receipt of the maximum benefits it was equivalent to ver £20k pa. Had she had an out of work partner it would have been more. And then, of course, everyone has a little something on the side.
    The only thing that is constant is change.
  • ninky_2
    ninky_2 Posts: 5,872 Forumite
    lemonjelly wrote: »
    If I had my way, for false use of blue badges I'd impound cars.

    i agree but i also think we need to go back to having a lot more free parking spaces about. the situation with parking fines and the charges for parking has got out of hand. blue badge abuse has only become so prevalent because of the advantages it confers. that said you can still get a parking ticket with a blue badge - some friends with a genuinely disabled daughter found this out by mistakenly parking in the wrong place.
    Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves. - Lord Byron
  • ninky_2
    ninky_2 Posts: 5,872 Forumite
    zygurat789 wrote: »
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BACKFRMTHEEDGE viewpost.gif
    So what should we do?

    I know lets cut their parents benefits!

    Why?

    Well I don't like the fact that "some" of these parents buy fags and cans of fosters....



    The problem is that there are too many of us and all these benefits do encourage people to have children. Global warming is not a problem it is a symptom of overpopulation which is where we are. We need to discourage
    parents from having children they can ill afford, if the world populationcarries on increasing at the present rate the result will have to be a partial (hopefully not mass) extinction.
    Everyone needs to cooperate from religious organisations with their outdated philosophies to governments paying parents to have more children

    i don't have kids myself but i wonder if those that do would actively discourage their own kids not to have children. i think the social and familial pressures to reproduce are far greater than the welfare benefit advantages (not sure there really are that many) of having children.

    there are far more financial benefits for the majority to not have children yet they are rarely put forward with seriousness and you don't find many people who seriously say i'm not having kids because i can't afford to raise them properly. i've put forward this argument myself and have been met by people saying it doesn't cost much to have a kid etc rather than much supportive agreement.
    Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves. - Lord Byron
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