Is this workplace bullying?

Oldernotwiser

onlyforboards wrote: »

It is bullying, interestingly it is attracting replies like yours which are typical of secondary remarks made by bully consorts.

The OP is entitled to apply for the new job in the company, no matter what the manager wants. No one has to remain in one role because they are paid to do it. :rolleyes: The OP does not have to leave the company to progress if there are suitable progression avenues within the company. To suggest so is unfair and of course can be perceived as bullying.

I don't see how this constitutes bullying. of course the OP can apply for any job within the company but if the management know they won't offer it to him, isn't it reasonable that they tell him so that he avoids wasting his time and energy?

onlyforboards_2

Pete111 wrote: »

The real isue here is why the manager felt this was a good way to handle the conversation.

Or why on earth he thought it was a good way to handle the company!
There is absolutely no business sense in his method unless the OP is incapable of undertaking the new job. Expressing it in this way is easily interpreted as bullying.

The OP should apply for the job and see how it goes from there. If the manager really feels the OP is irreplaceable and intends to keep them in their original post for the rest of their career then they need to negotiate a serious raise package.

onlyforboards_2

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

I don't see how this constitutes bullying. of course the OP can apply for any job within the company but if the management know they won't offer it to him, isn't it reasonable that they tell him so that he avoids wasting his time and energy?

Deliberately keeping a member of staff in a position lower than one they could obtain within the company is bullying. Discouraging an employee from applying for a position that they could in all fairness achieve within the company is bullying.
Management can not turn an employee down from a higher position because they do not want to fill the original position.

bendix

onlyforboards wrote: »

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The OP is entitled to apply for the new job in the company, no matter what the manager wants. .

You ought to try learning to read.

Noone has said he is not entitled to apply for the new job, even the manager.

Telling him he won't get it is not bullying. Presumably the manager appointed the OP for a particular job and wants him to do that. He/She will ultimately decide who gets the new job, and he/she has no obligation to give it to anyone other than who he/she wants.

Just because the OP tells us he is qualified for it, does not make it an automatic right that he gets it.

Savvy_Sue

I'm still unclear whether the manager has already lined up someone for the new post. If they have not, then I would say to the OP that he should apply, regardless of what the manager has said. Then when they appoint someone less qualified than he is, he can raise a grievance. If they appoint someone more qualified, that would demonstrate that the OP is not the only person capable of doing this new job.

onlyforboards_2

bendix wrote: »

You ought to try learning to read.

Noone has said he is not entitled to apply for the new job, even the manager.

Telling him he won't get it is not bullying. Presumably the manager appointed the OP for a particular job and wants him to do that. He/She will ultimately decide who gets the new job, and he/she has no obligation to give it to anyone other than who he/she wants.

Just because the OP tells us he is qualified for it, does not make it an automatic right that he gets it.

Lol you are the one who has not understood the situation :rolleyes:

The manager has said the OP will not get the position because the manager wants to keep the OP in their original position. Do you get it now?

Of course the management have the right to turn the employee down on grounds of unsuitability, that hasn't happen though.

bendix

onlyforboards wrote: »

Lol you are the one who has not understood the situation :rolleyes:

The manager has said the OP will not get the position because the manager wants to keep the OP in their original position. Do you get it now?

Of course the management have the right to turn the employee down on grounds of unsuitability, that hasn't happen though.

Let me get this right.

The manager is bullying the OP because he has asked him to do the job he was hired to do . . is that your position?

The OP gives us a long list of whining complaints. New employees start higher than him. His work is checked daily. He gets no overtime etc.

Could a more realistic assessment of the situation be that the OP obviously high opinion of his talents are not shared by his manager, hence the reason he has been told he has no chance of getting a senior role even if they applied for it.

Just a thought.

onlyforboards_2

bendix wrote: »

Let me get this right.

The manager is bullying the OP because he has asked him to do the job he was hired to do . . is that your position?

No it isn't at all. If that is how you interpret what I have already posted there is little more I can do to explain the difference to you.

As for your "just a thought", yes, that could be exactly what is going on but that is not what the manager said.

I'm not sure why you find this so confusing.

bendix

onlyforboards wrote: »

No it isn't at all. If that is how you interpret what I have already posted there is little more I can do to explain the difference to you.

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Don't give up on me just yet.

Explain to me what in the OP's post constitutes bullying. Gauche and unsophisticated management practices perhaps, unsupportive mentoring - yes.

But bullying?

If that constitutes bullying, I'm a banana.

Oldernotwiser

onlyforboards wrote: »

Deliberately keeping a member of staff in a position lower than one they could obtain within the company is bullying. Discouraging an employee from applying for a position that they could in all fairness achieve within the company is bullying.
Management can not turn an employee down from a higher position because they do not want to fill the original position.

Don't be ridiculous, you can't stretch the definition of bullying this far!

If someone is good at their job but unsuited to promotion, why would anybody put them in a higher job? (Of course, that does happen but that's the theory behind the Peter Principle!)