Re:Home Water Filter Best Value?

JamesBewley

RE:Home Water Filter Kit Chlorine and Fluoride Removal?

Whats the best value Home Water Filtration Kit Chlorine and Fluoride Removal

Quality Mark prefered in the U.K I know there all probably Made In China

Anyone know oh yes must have a good flow rate i.e at least 1 litre per minute 2 litres per minute is better I don't want to be waiting all day for the kettle to fill.

Regards

walmslei

Hi James

Have you seen the ones we supply, I answer or chip in on a few of the water filter questions here, but I figured you've not had a reply in a week or more.

http://www.pozzani.co.uk/water-treatment-200/remove-fluoride-156/product_info.html

For the record, the cartridges in the system are all manufactured here in our factory in Lincolnshire, with UK/US sourced and approved media. In terms of quality we do not use mass produced overseas cartridges in any of our IX250 or IX600 ranges.

I don't want to upsell too much here, but we are slightly different to most water filter manufacturers in that because we control our own cartridges we can offer permutations and combinations which many do not.. for example, we are one of the few companies in the UK who can offer a standard granular carbon cartridge, a block carbon cartridge, a chloramine specific carbon for Scotland/Thames water, and a broad-sprectrum carbon (which we use in Fluoride systems, actually). On top of that we have a multitude of other cartridges available, and we do custom fills for customers with very specific water quality issues, so from a technical perspective we are far from being a box shifting outfit!

Any questions, by all means post them here.

JamesBewley

walmslei wrote: »

Hi James

Have you seen the ones we supply, I answer or chip in on a few of the water filter questions here, but I figured you've not had a reply in a week or more.

http://www.pozzani.co.uk/water-treatment-200/remove-fluoride-156/product_info.html

For the record, the cartridges in the system are all manufactured here in our factory in Lincolnshire, with UK/US sourced and approved media. In terms of quality we do not use mass produced overseas cartridges in any of our IX250 or IX600 ranges.

I don't want to upsell too much here, but we are slightly different to most water filter manufacturers in that because we control our own cartridges we can offer permutations and combinations which many do not.. for example, we are one of the few companies in the UK who can offer a standard granular carbon cartridge, a block carbon cartridge, a chloramine specific carbon for Scotland/Thames water, and a broad-sprectrum carbon (which we use in Fluoride systems, actually). On top of that we have a multitude of other cartridges available, and we do custom fills for customers with very specific water quality issues, so from a technical perspective we are far from being a box shifting outfit!

Any questions, by all means post them here.

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Hello,

With the Chlorine,Fluoride Drinking Water Filtration System whats the flow rate per minute in litres I have a High Pressure Home Water Supply.

Does your Home Water Filtration System have a 30 days money back gaurantee if not delighted?

How long has your company been trading for?.

What U.K or European quality mark do your water filters conform too?

How long are your filters gauranteed for?


Thanks,

James

peshi

Look at the Kinetico K5 reverse osmosis water purifier, its got the best flow rates and its customisable.
It will reduce you TDS (Total dissolved solids) to around 10.
On average Lincolnshire TDS is around 350ppm.
It has an patented Everclean rinse, PureMometer (shows filter life), Quick flo tank (twice as fast flow rate than any competitor)
Look at the Video below:
http://www.kinetico-lincoln.co.uk/Kinetico_K5.html

walmslei

With the Chlorine,Fluoride Drinking Water Filtration System whats the flow rate per minute in litres I have a High Pressure Home Water Supply.

Flow rates of drinking water systems are typically about 2 to 3 litres per minute. Removing fluoride from a whole house supply is considerably more problematic, mainly due to the density of the fluoride reduction media (reducing flow), and of course, whole house RO isn't usually viable for domestic installations (you would need a serious industrial system, and wastewater would be relatively high).

Does your Home Water Filtration System have a 30 days money back gaurantee if not delighted?

No, but with good reason. If you market a product, like a water filter or an RO system for £600 with salesmen etc then you can make such offers because you are overcharging on the product. Truth betold, few companies in the UK bother with Activated Alumina cartridges, and even less construct their own filters here. The difference as I tried to imply in my original note is that we have the ability to work with customers who find they have 'specific' contaminent issues, whereas box shifting outfits do not. Clearly everything you returned on a 30 day trial would need to be destroyed - you just cannot risk reusing cartridges, taps and what not which have been installed for hygeine reasons. So it's either higher prices and sales gimmicks, or just low trade type prices and good service.. you cannot really do both.

How long has your company been trading for?
Our company has been trading since 1987, with our key product range (the IX series of systems) having been bought through from about 1990 to date, with several major revisions as technology in the industry has changed.

What U.K or European quality mark do your water filters conform too?
As a company which produces a lot of products, but importantly, in many different configurations having a product marked isn't that practical - the IX and No10 systems are more like a kit, and as such as many hundreds of permutations of tap, cartridge etc. However, all our products are constructed from WRAS approved materials, and the housings we use on the IX series of systems are either UK made and moulded, or US manufactured - which cost considerably more than using cheap chinese housings. Our taps are good quality, and each system is put together by an in house engineer here in Lincolnshire.

How long are your filters gauranteed for?
Filter systems are guaranteed for one year from sale - standard UK sales warranty really. We have systems in place where customers have purchased in excess of forty cartridges (each lasting around six months), but in general the life of the units is generally expected to be about 7 to 10 years before you'd want to look at a overhaul (new housing and tap usually). We carry all parts and fittings here, have full tech staff etc should you run into trouble.

Hope that helps!

JamesBewley

walmslei wrote: »

With the Chlorine,Fluoride Drinking Water Filtration System whats the flow rate per minute in litres I have a High Pressure Home Water Supply.

Flow rates of drinking water systems are typically about 2 to 3 litres per minute. Removing fluoride from a whole house supply is considerably more problematic, mainly due to the density of the fluoride reduction media (reducing flow), and of course, whole house RO isn't usually viable for domestic installations (you would need a serious industrial system, and wastewater would be relatively high).

Does your Home Water Filtration System have a 30 days money back gaurantee if not delighted?

No, but with good reason. If you market a product, like a water filter or an RO system for £600 with salesmen etc then you can make such offers because you are overcharging on the product. Truth betold, few companies in the UK bother with Activated Alumina cartridges, and even less construct their own filters here. The difference as I tried to imply in my original note is that we have the ability to work with customers who find they have 'specific' contaminent issues, whereas box shifting outfits do not. Clearly everything you returned on a 30 day trial would need to be destroyed - you just cannot risk reusing cartridges, taps and what not which have been installed for hygeine reasons. So it's either higher prices and sales gimmicks, or just low trade type prices and good service.. you cannot really do both.

How long has your company been trading for?
Our company has been trading since 1987, with our key product range (the IX series of systems) having been bought through from about 1990 to date, with several major revisions as technology in the industry has changed.

What U.K or European quality mark do your water filters conform too?
As a company which produces a lot of products, but importantly, in many different configurations having a product marked isn't that practical - the IX and No10 systems are more like a kit, and as such as many hundreds of permutations of tap, cartridge etc. However, all our products are constructed from WRAS approved materials, and the housings we use on the IX series of systems are either UK made and moulded, or US manufactured - which cost considerably more than using cheap chinese housings. Our taps are good quality, and each system is put together by an in house engineer here in Lincolnshire.

How long are your filters gauranteed for?
Filter systems are guaranteed for one year from sale - standard UK sales warranty really. We have systems in place where customers have purchased in excess of forty cartridges (each lasting around six months), but in general the life of the units is generally expected to be about 7 to 10 years before you'd want to look at a overhaul (new housing and tap usually). We carry all parts and fittings here, have full tech staff etc should you run into trouble.

Hope that helps!

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Thanks for your reply.

Pozzani PRO 50 Reverse Osmosis Water System with free TDS meter for £199:95 inclusive of Free Delivery To The U.K I entered in my personal details my delivery address is in Dublin, Ireland shipping with RoyalMail came to £2:95 in total this item is 5 kilograms in weight, could you please confirm this is the correct cshipping charge?

Tap whats your most popular style of tap to go with this unit?

What is the Ratio of Purified Drinking Water To Waste Water down the sink?

How may I reduce Waste Water down the sink?? Is it possible to use a Permeate Pump?
Do you sell these? Price?
What about a UK InLine Dual TDS Monitor Meter For Reverse Osmosis System
is it possible to fit one of these to monitor performance?

You stated that your products are WRAS approved http://www.wras.co.uk
are your products listed with The Water Quality Association?http://www.wqa.org ?

Whats your Technical Telephone Support Number For Pozzani Domestic Reverse Osmosis Drinking Water Filtration Units? Hours of Operation is it a standard landline? or non geographic number?


Finally the taste of Pozzani Reverse Osmosis tastes demineralised similar to distilled water?


James

peshi

We could do a deal on a Kinetico K2 or K5. The K2 will be a little more expensive than the Pozzini. Nothing available can compete with the spec and quality of the K5. Pre and post filters need changing about every 1850lts, Costs 4p per litre (The K5 automatically switches off when the filters need changing it also has an indicator). The RO membrane is guaranteed for 7 years if use with a Kinetico water softener or 2 years without.
These RO's don't waste as much water as others on the market.
The flow rate of the pozzani and the K2 are about half the flow of the Kinetico K5.
The Pozzani and K2 use an air charged tank which you can top up the presssure with a bike pump) The K5 has a quick flow tank which is automatic.
Kinetico RO's have a patented Everclean rinse (Membranes last longer and produce better warter for longer) Kineticos automatically turn the water of after the self clean others run to drain for a very long time, wasting water and your filter life.
We don't offer any trail.
Kinetico have been around since the 1970s

I would recommend buying from your nearest Authorised Kinetico Dealer.

We have access to the cheap generic parts that Pozzini use.

peshi

10 year parts warranty on the K5 if you have a Kinetico water softener.

walmslei

Firstly let me address the quick marketing emails above. It isn't the first time similar marketing gimmicks have been tried and I am happy to address them.

Our system costs £200 unpumped or £300 pumped, it has a replacement filter cost (total set) of £31.90 every six months and you will like need one replacement membrane after three years meaning in five years your total cost of ownership ranges from £560 to £650 including the VAT. Based on a family of four, that equates to 3.06p to 3.54p per litre including the cost of the filter system itself.

This -is- a moneysaving forum, it's not a place to tout marketing hype, and I am happy for anyone wishing to reply to this to do so, but it has to be within the context of the forum. If somebody is asking questions on how to achieve something, then, as per my original post, answering it I believe is fine - Fluoride removal is quite specialist, hence why I offered the original advice I did. However, if you are going on a sales pitch, then it has to be fact based frankly, and the above statements don't really give you any idea of cost, performance or the pro's and con's of the different types of systems.

With reference to that implying 'generic parts' are inferior is a common tactic which certain companies like to employ. Truth betold, in this case 'generic' actually really means 'industry standard', which gives the user options over time, if the relationship with the company they purchased it off turns sour for whatever reason (or a company goes out of business, or a local option proves to be cheaper). With a bespoke product, which does not use industry standard parts, you are essentially tied to that manufacturer, and should cartridge prices rise or you need spares, then you have no real choice but to go with that manufacturers prices - whether you like it or not.

The 'industry standard' parts you 'can use' do vary in quality though which is an important consideration. If you take one of the blue filter bowls you can see, the price range (and quality) on these varies greatly depending on whether you buy chinese copies, or buy Ametek housings (original designer, American manufacturer). The price differential is several times the cost, so like with everything, making assumptions isn't smart, especially if you cannot back them up. I don't think any water manufacturer in the world would question the functionality or the reliability of a genuine Ametek housing.. certainly not one which knows the market. Filtration performance is dependent on the cartridge, not the housing, which like I said, we are probably one of the few to hand produce, custom blend and custom fill 10" filters in the UK in a large capacity.

Also, by choosing a bespoke product you naturally pay more for cartridges and for the initial outlay - injection moulding and such is incredibly expensive, and you basically have to fund the production of tools which run into hundreds of thousands of pounds.

There are always two sides to every story, granted, but given the nature of this forum, I think people ought to stick to fact and answering questions. The minute you start getting manufacturers jumping in claiming 'mine is better than yours' without basis, then it becomes nothing more than a slanging match.

walmslei

James, to answer your questions as before.

Delivery to Ireland
This actually costs about £18 via DHL, which we extend the discount on the UK carriage against meaning you actually as a customer pay about £10 including VAT. The terms of the free delivery on the product page mention that international customers will be contacted, but your total carriage cost would be £10 total in this instance (this is actually due to website software limitations).

Taps
Our most popular tap over all are the ceramic disc quarter turns, the lever style being the most common. However, with RO, look for the stainless steel taps - Most people prefer these since RO water is a little aggressive (water is a very good solvent) and a lot of people have concerns about metals leeching from non-stainless taps - it's very much down to customer choice though.

Rate of recovery
Recovery rates are about 15 to 20% sort of range, which means for every litre of water you produce about 5 will go to drain. This sounds costly, however, it is important to look at such things with a degree of common sense. If you produce 10 litres of water per day for drinking it means you will reject 18 cubic metres of water per year, which at the current UK cost is about £20 or thereabouts per annum in 'additional water charges'. Now if you look at a system which claims a recovery rate of say 30% - you will find that the amount sent to drain is still about £12 per annum. Therefore when looking at any systems such as these remember you want to fact in the difference in water cost, which between the worst and best single membrane systems is probably about 5 to 8% in terms of recovery. The minute a system has two membranes, then your recovery rate will improve, but then so do your consumables longer term, so. In terms of a pump it is necessary to install one if your pressure is under 3 bar - we offer Shurflo pumps which are quiet and reliable, which adds about £100 to the cost of a system. If you have over 3 bar of pressure, it's generally not necessary to install one.

TDS Meter
All pro systems come with a free TDS dip meter. Inline meters are fine but it means crawling under the sink to read off the display. We have generally found customers prefer hand-held meters since they can test the water in a glass as it comes out of their tap, which is generally much more convienient.

Approvals
All materials used are WRAS approved materials, and most of the parts which are US sourced (if not all) will have NSF approval, such as the housings, pumps and membranes.

Contact
It's on the site on the footer, but we offer free technical support on 01507 608100 during office hours (8am to 6pm) Monday to Friday. Support is often available at weekends, but much more limited (we have one or two technical staff in at most, the offices are essentially closed).

Taste
Well, being honest, I find RO water a little bland, but I think most people do. Our systems produce 'virtually pure water', which in lamens terms is as close to pure water as you are ever likely to want to produce in your home. Water generally has no flavour, and when you remove all the mineral contents the bits of flavour it does have tend to go with it, however, many people specifically want this and indeed prefer the taste. It's all down to personal taste, but the facts are all demineralised water will taste pretty much the same, and that ought to be somewhere near tasteless!

peshi

With a Kinetico K5 if you didn't like the taste of pure water you can add a mineral cartridge at any time in the future.
Its very easy to add just quick turn and that's it.

Also you can update it in the future if your needs change.

I believe the information below is only available and unique to the Kinetico K5 for the home. Dentists even use it.

Purefecta Virus/Bacteria Guard – is certified to remove more
than 99.99% virus and 99.99999% of bacteria. When used with
the VOC guard and an air charge tank, the system is a certified
microbiological purifier. The Purefecta Virus/Bacteria Guard can
only be used in the auxiliary #1 position.

The K5 is more expensive than most but it can do allot more and better.
with the fastest flow rate you can get. No pumps needed.