£16 a week apprenticeship???

lynzpower

ONW Im suprised at your comment.

Put it this way at 17 I was running a team in a leading supermarket. The folowing summer break, I ran another team as a supervisor at 18.

There was no min wage then, but I got what I thought I was worth, including double time / overtime/ and I worked very hard, anbd proved myself a lot more capable than some of my middle aged staff members. Which is why I was invited to do a second summer ( in fact they asked me to bin off my degree and be a maanger there full time but I said no - kicks self in retrospect)

Just because someone is 16, ( ie old enough to marry, work etc) they should not be discriminated in favour of age, only experience.

KeepYourChinUp_2

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Why on earth should someone of 16, on an apprenticeship, get paid nearly £6 per hour.

You must have been drinking heavily last night!

Quite true however YTS courses 20 years ago paid £28.50 a week in the first year.

Sadly she has picked has picked a profession that is riddled with low paying rogues. Its highley likely that if they treat her like this now they will always treat her bad, that or be out on her behind so they can get fresh meat in. I would still recommend she finds another job before quitting though.

Oldernotwiser

lynzpower wrote: »

ONW Im suprised at your comment.

Put it this way at 17 I was running a team in a leading supermarket. The folowing summer break, I ran another team as a supervisor at 18.

There was no min wage then, but I got what I thought I was worth, including double time / overtime/ and I worked very hard, anbd proved myself a lot more capable than some of my middle aged staff members. Which is why I was invited to do a second summer ( in fact they asked me to bin off my degree and be a maanger there full time but I said no - kicks self in retrospect)

Just because someone is 16, ( ie old enough to marry, work etc) they should not be discriminated in favour of age, only experience.

I'm surprised you're surprised!

You may have been doing responsible work at that age but the OP's daughter is a hairdressing apprentice. For someone to suggest that she should be getting adult NMW is just plain ridiculous, both on grounds of age and the training involved.

NMW has different levels according to age and, whether you agree with it or not, its application isn't discriminatory.

damoandclaire

i think you'll find that she IS being severely under paid.

http://www.apprenticeships.org.uk/Be-An-Apprentice/Learning-and-earning.aspx

the above link states she should be getting a minimum of £95 per week!!

just because someone is younger and choosing to learn whilst they work, doesn't mean they should be paid hardly nothing.

what happens when you go for training in your job ONW? Do you expect to be paid nothing? I think not some how.

mumps

£16 does seem ridiculous. A colleague of mine has a 15 year old daughter who does a few hours on a Saturday as shampoo girl/general dogsbody and she gets £20. I accept that an apprentice is getting training but I am sure she does more than Saturday girl. Having said that, does she work for a particularly well known stylist/company? There are probably placements that people would do for nothing because of the prestige I'm not sure as this isn't my industry but might be worth considering.

Zazen999

sputty01 wrote: »

It sounds to me like shes on a programme led apprentiship. This means the employer is well within their rights to pay whatever they want, remember it is still classed as education and most people her age wont be being paid anything for theirs. As for EMA she may be entitled to it providing her household income is less than £30,810 a year, if its over that then she wont be entitled to anything over the £16 the employer is giving her.

How does it sounds like she is on a Programme led apprenticeship? these are when they do the first year full time at college and she is only 16?

Anyway OP - £16 is far too little; pro rata the rates out from the apprenticeship links that are on here and see what that comes to; and that is what she should be asking for.

Oldernotwiser

damoandclaire wrote: »

i think you'll find that she IS being severely under paid.

http://www.apprenticeships.org.uk/Be-An-Apprentice/Learning-and-earning.aspx

the above link states she should be getting a minimum of £95 per week!!

just because someone is younger and choosing to learn whilst they work, doesn't mean they should be paid hardly nothing.

what happens when you go for training in your job ONW? Do you expect to be paid nothing? I think not some how.

I never said that she wasn't underpaid; I simply said that the idea of a 16 year old hairdressing apprentice receiving full adult NMW was ridiculous.

Personally, it sounds to me as if she's on a PLA and should be getting EMA as well as her pay.

Oldernotwiser

Zazen999 wrote: »

How does it sounds like she is on a Programme led apprenticeship? these are when they do the first year full time at college and she is only 16?

Is that always the case?

You may well be right; it's a long time since I worked with youngsters.

Magnolia

I work in FE at the moment and PLP's are done in both the work place and college.

From the LSC site

Programme Led Pathways (PLPs)

Programme led pathways (PLPs) are programmes of learning that support apprentices through apprenticeship programmes.

They were introduced by the Learning and Skills Council (LSC) to offer learners more routes into apprenticeships.

PLPs are intended for individuals who may be unable to secure an employer led pathway opportunity without extra support.

http://www.lsc.gov.uk/Jargonbuster/Programme+led+pathways+%28PLPs%29.htm

The employer led apprenticeships pay a minimum of £95 per week.

If you’re doing an Apprenticeship with an employer

You’ll get a wage of at least £95 a week. In fact, many Apprentices are paid more than this.

Students on the PLP are entitled to apply for EMA and depending on household income with be awarded accordingly.

If you’re doing a Programme Led Apprenticeship

If you’re aged between 16 and 18 and doing a Programme Led Apprenticeship, you may qualify for Education Maintenance Allowance (EMA)

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/EducationAndLearning/14To19/OptionsAt16/DG_4001327

As the student doesn't have an apprentice placement then why not consider doing a full time course at college.

Zazen999

From the second link above:

Programme Led Apprenticeships
If you want to do an Apprenticeship but haven’t yet found an employer you can start a ‘Programme Led Apprenticeship’.
This means beginning your studies at college - and getting some work experience - before you move onto an Apprenticeship with an employer.


[They may well have morphed into something else now; but the original concept was actually designed by my ex-boss]