Naturopath

newlywed

Toothsmith wrote: »

If that's what's happening to you, then you need a doctor and real treatment.

Yes but like I said, the doc just said oh well if it's certain foods then just avoid them :rolleyes: - I've managed to go 5 months now without actually being sick (from avoiding eating anything with actual sesame in) but still get really bad stomach ache when I've had traces of the stuff without realising.

choille

Homeopathy is a subtle treatment. A remedy is made of a substance that would bring on the symptoms that you are experiencing in most people, but very dilute.

I had a friend, an elderly lady who was a homeopath, had been trained in the 1930's in a homeopathic hospital in France, she also had a lot of traditional medical training. She would make up remedies for myself & my animals. I miss her.
I was very pleased with the results.
And what is more - the remedies will not do any harm.
I keep Bach's Rescue Remedy to hand - which is good for all sorts of things, shock, emergencies - before you can get to a Doctors etc, I can just hear all those sceptics scoffing, but I don't care - It works for me.
All the best with getting help.

Toothsmith

This 'very dilute' thing is a complete misnomer! It's not 'dilute' it's non-existant.

The 30c dose strength means that the original chemical has been diluted 1x1030. That's a 1 with 30 'o' after it

1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000

That's equivalent to 1 atom in the Pacific Ocean!

A warehouse full of homeopathic remedys is unlikely to have a single atom of anything that any of the bottles say on the label in the building.

If something CAN have an effect even when it doesn't actually exist in the thing your taking, then the water that comes out of your tap would be a homeopathic cure for everything! At some point in it's past, that water will have been shaken up in close proximity to every substance in the universe.

Although homeopaths will say that the 'shaking up' needs to be done by banging the solution on a copy of 'Materia Medica' !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Homeopathy is complete rubbish. It only takes a very superficial look at it to realise this!

Toothsmith

newlywed wrote: »

Yes but like I said, the doc just said oh well if it's certain foods then just avoid them :rolleyes: .

Well that's far more sensible advice than wasting your money on quackary.

newlywed

Toothsmith wrote: »

Well that's far more sensible advice than wasting your money on quackary.

That would be fine except it means I pretty much have to avoid everything with flour or oats in it as many brands/bakeries state there may be traces of sesame.

I can't even buy a pre-made sandwich or most salads if I've forgotten to bring my lunch!!! :mad:

choille

http://www.alive.com/2059a5a2.php?subject_bread_cramb=227

This maybe of interest to you.

Mrs_P_Pincher

With the greatest of respect Toothsmith, if homeopathy is rubbish (and you are entitled to your view of course) - why does it work?

When I had a series of herpetic mouth infections (vesicles on all soft tissues) that my dentist couldn't treat and my GP wouldn't treat, when dentist couldn't get me a referral to the dental hospital because there was no-one there who could help and all GP could offer was a referral to an oral surgeon (13 weeks), when I couldn't eat or drink because of the pain, one homeopathic tablet froma qualified homeopath put me on the road to recovery.

My dentist will be removing two molars on September 7th because of a 'gumboil' and cannot understand why I am not in pain at the moment - homeopathy - and he is quite happy for me to take Arnica before and after the extractions now he has seen what happened the last time when he removed a wisdom tooth and I had no pain or discomfort whatsoever.

I also use a homeopathic sedative before every appointment.

It may not work for you, but it works for me...and for my cats and for my neighbour after he fell off his bike and landed in the river!

Conversely I spent £150 on five Bowen treatments and they made no difference whatsoever, so I do have an open mind.

Back to you

Mrs P P

Teerah

It is often the case, as with what you yourself have experienced, MrsPP, that it is when one is at ones most desperate that one turns to these "alternative" remedies. The very nature of such conditions is that they will usually at that point start to resolve anyway, therefore it is most likely only coincidence that your condition started to resolve at the same time as you started your homeopathic treatment. Unfortunately that appears to sime people to give credence to the homeopathic treatment working when it was in fact the case that the condition had reached it natural conclusion. As TS says, the contents of these pills or potions are so incredibly dilute that they couldnt possibly cure anything. There is being open-minded and there comes a time when the evidence against is so overwhelming that we must accept it to be the truth.

Toothsmith

Mrs_P_Pincher wrote: »

With the greatest of respect Toothsmith, if homeopathy is rubbish (and you are entitled to your view of course) - why does it work?

It doesn't 'work'.

If you line up 1000 people with a problem and give them a Smartie, but tell them that they are taking part in a scientific trial of a brand new treatment of their condition, then 150 -300 of them will get better or report an improvement in their symptoms.

This is called the placebo effect. It happens, but nobody really knows why.

If you gave people 2 Smarties, then more people would get better in that group than the group you gave 1 Smartie to. Taking a big Smartie shows better results than taking a small Smartie, and Red Smarties 'cure' more people than blue ones (or vice versa, I can't remember which way round that one is!)

For a medicine to be 'proved' as effective, it must cure more people than the Smartie.

For modern conventional medicines and therapies nowadays, the new treatment must show itself to be better than the previous best treatment - not just better than placebo.

The person taking the tablet mustn't know if it's a Smartie or the tablet, and neither should the person giving the tablet. That's called 'double blind'.

There has never been a double blind investigation of homeopathy that has shown it to work any better than placebo. Ever.

This is fine if you're just taking it because you 'feel a bit off', or minor chronic conditions. If you're one of the people affected by the placebo effect, then brilliant.

BUT - some of these jokers take themselves far too seriously and pretend that it can have an effect on things like malaria in the 3rd world, cancer, TB and as an alternative to vaccination programs.

This is serious and life threatening.

Homeopathy is fine as a bit of a laugh for people with more money than sense.

But to actually believe it's a useful therapy is dangerous.


P.S. If you CAN show homeopathy to work, there's a $1m prize from James Randi!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/homeopathy.shtml

Mrs_P_Pincher

Any homeopath worth their salt would not claim to be able to cure cancer or TB and I agree with you that to claim to be able to do so would be unacceptable.

However, it works for me and has done so in situations where conventional medicine was unable to help. Furthermore, I've never sat my cat down and explained what I'm going to give him, I just open his mouth and whack the pill in, so he must also be susceptible to the placebo effect...

Mrs P P